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re: PJ Woodland prediction to LSU by Sam Spiegelman
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:55 pm to OKtiger
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:55 pm to OKtiger
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You could write a novel of the missteps in recruiting and obtaining talent in the secondary since CBK arrived.
Yeah, that JBC, Gardner, Foucha, and Brooks portal class that made up for O and Raymond fricking everything up was pure shite, right?

The only thing that sucked about that group was that all but one only had one season here and now he is literally fighting for his life. Basically it delayed what should have happened last year in the secondary until this year. But the total lack of any acknowledgement of this just further proves what you are all about.
Have there been some mistakes? Sure. Bad luck? Nothing but this season. But no one here cares what you have to say about it. Everyone here knows what you are about and that’s why none of us take anything you say seriously.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:59 pm to misey94
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Have there been some mistakes? Sure. Bad luck? Nothing but this season. But no one here cares what you have to say about it. Everyone here knows what you are about and that’s why none of us take anything you say seriously.
Well said. That goes for Sam as well
Posted on 10/22/23 at 4:29 pm to Tigerfan14
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Y’all are confusing y’all’s own blind optimism with the reality heading in to this season. Everyone, including the coaches, was concerned about CB depth. Everyday there was a thread about needing DT’s and CB’s. There were 100 threads about how bad we needed Harris to get his stuff together and become what he was supposed to be. The coaches kept recruiting CB’s until the end. It was always a concern. It wasn’t just a “things happen” or “hindsight is 20/20”. It was pretty clear.
I feel like there’s a lot of daylight between “it was clear that we would wind up with Sage Ryan and Ashton Stamps as starting corners in 2023” and “everything looked like it would be fine.”
I mean yes.. the position was obviously a concern that the staff was trying to address until the end. But that’s not the same as saying they should have expected this many things to go against us.
If you’re going to take a hindsight look at the decisions they made over the past ~22 months, I think that’s perfectly reasonable as long as you do so while acknowledging the difference between information they had at the time vs. today.
So yeah they took a risk on Harris, and yeah right now it looks like it backfired. But what are the odds that Chestnut does whatever he did, Alexander gets hurt, Johnson goes down for the year, AND Harris doesn’t pan out? And what were the odds, given the information available at the time, that another achievable path would have worked out differently?
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:09 pm to lostinbr
I’m not even talking about the current situation of starting Stamps and Ryan. The room sucked from day 1. The vast majority of the rant was concerned about if this secondary was going to be worth anything. Most people thought Harris was the only SEC caliber guy coming in, and he’s a ticking time bomb off the field.
The staff obviously didn’t feel comfortable with the room either, which is why they tried to add guys until the very end. They missed on some guys that could have made them better in the present and future, and here we are with one of the worst DB rooms we’ve ever had.
Again, this isn’t a “hind sight is 20/20” situation. This was always going to be bad, it’s just even worse than we could have imagined.
The staff obviously didn’t feel comfortable with the room either, which is why they tried to add guys until the very end. They missed on some guys that could have made them better in the present and future, and here we are with one of the worst DB rooms we’ve ever had.
Again, this isn’t a “hind sight is 20/20” situation. This was always going to be bad, it’s just even worse than we could have imagined.
Posted on 10/22/23 at 6:51 pm to Tigerfan14
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The staff obviously didn’t feel comfortable with the room either, which is why they tried to add guys until the very end. They missed on some guys that could have made them better in the present and future, and here we are with one of the worst DB rooms we’ve ever had.
Again, this isn’t a “hind sight is 20/20” situation. This was always going to be bad, it’s just even worse than we could have imagined.
I mean, I hear you. But again it turns into a question of what the staff could have / should have done differently, at the time, with the information that was available to them.
We signed the #2, #5, #8, and #15 CBs in the transfer portal. The only suggestion I’ve seen in this thread about what they should have done differently (at least for this year) is also sign #3 and #43.
I’m not really trying to get into any arguments about transfer portal recruiting ratings, but just trying to make the point - is that really the failure that it comes down to? Not getting Amos or Cypress?
Don’t get me wrong, both certainly be nice to have. But it’s tough for me to call losing Cypress a failure. Amos, sure. But I’m also not convinced Amos is the difference between “it’s going to be bad” and “it’s going to be fine” to your point about the preseason outlook for the CB group.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:27 am to Curtis Lowe
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Cush was committed to S. Carolina contemplating a flip to MSU with late in the process official visit. Offered by LSU in the eleventh hour and was a signing day flip to the good guys.
This. I know a few State insiders and they felt they had Cushenberry locked down until we swept in.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 8:30 am to Penrod
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That’s good to hear. Also, I read your post in an American Indian voice. Watch him tape. He heap big medicine.

Posted on 10/23/23 at 9:07 am to LSUSlidell23
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Then why don't teams only recruit two and three star players?
No point in even having recruiting sites if stars don't matter.
And when Woodland gets a bump to a 4 stars after On3 and 247 take a deeper dive into his evaluation? Are people going to stfu about muh 3 stars?
It's likely that PJ Woodland is ranked so low because of being a lack of evaluations from the sites.
I get it some, they probably have hundreds of higher priority recruits that they're focused on. And they wait until most guys get a top tier offer list before really evaluating a player.
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