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re: Per Wade, everybody's leaving and he's recruiting accordingly...

Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:09 am to
Posted by SCP
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 7:09 am to
If the kids have done their due diligence and decide to make money professionally, more power to them. Coming back to attempt to make more money may be a fan talking point, but it is the exception rather than the rule.

The NBA drafts a lot on potential and possibly more so than what the college results have been. Most kids are draft limited by how their physical traits match up with their projected playing position.

They will develop their games much faster playing professionally as long as they are mentally mature enough to go pro. One could argue that each additional year in college slows the development of a players game compared to a similar player who has gone through the G league battles.

Only 30 draftees (first round picks) are guaranteed NBA money through the draft. There are only two 2 way contracts per team. There are relatively few second round picks and non drafted players that start off with an NBA contract or 2 way deal. Most players will end up in the G league and perhaps playing overseas whether they leave after 2, 3 , or 4 years of college.

If Wade knows how many positions to fill, he can use this information to recruit some experienced transfers that want more college experiences. Geaux Tigers!!
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:39 am to
He kind of hedged a bit by saying it looks like they are all staying in the draft..."right now". IMO, the only potential returnee is Days. Perhaps he doesn't love what he hears from NBA scouts. Combine that with the fact he could be LSU lead dog next season it MAY be enough to talk him into coming back.

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I'm thinking one of them needs to be for a lead guard who can give LSU something like what Smart


I think with some more experience and maturity Gaines (and even Cook) can be solid PG's that not just score, but facilitate the offense. Something that will absolutely be needed because LSU doesn't look to have anyone who they can just clear the floor for and let them attack one on one. What they do have seems to be a lot of length, athleticism and slashing ability. They'll need a PG to facilitate and I think Gaines has the potential to be tremendous in that role...once he understands that every possession/pass doesn't have to be a highlight reel play.

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and the other needs to be for a big who can protect the rim a little and also can contribute as a pick-and-pop guy with some outside shooting.


He's a true freshman, so you don't know how it will translate to college, but Colbert is a long shot blocker who is athletic enough to play away from the basket. A taller, little more offensively skilled version of Leblanc. Those two can help "protect the rim". The big LSU needs is probably someone with a big arse who can get physical inside and on the glass. Gray is a big dude who looks the part. We just don't know how good he his yet. I think Wade would like a a Marcus Santos-Silva (Texas Tech) type forward if he can find one. A guy not afraid to fight inside (Days was that guy and Watford never wanted to be that guy)

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guy with some outside shooting.


No question. This team looks to have NO shooters on it right now (assuming Days doesn't return). I think next year's roster could be a team like this year's Houston in terms of physical make up. Houston doesn't play anyone over 6'8". They are all just athletic and tough. However, they do have a knock down shooter in Grimes that allows the spacing they want on offense. If LSU can find a shooter it could give the other guys a LOT more room to operate.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:43 am to
I don't believe any of the four could improve their draft status if they return.
They have shown their assets and limitations.
IMO, three of the four should get their degree.
I wish them the best.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:22 am to
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I don't believe any of the four could improve their draft status if they return.


I think Smart is probably the only one I'd say really couldn't improve his stock very much.

Thomas could improve...but probably doesn't really need to.

Watford ABSOLUTELY could improve his stock by becoming a better and more efficient all around player. He has the potential skillset to put us some big all around numbers (points, assists, better defense). That said, he's been ready to leave since before he stepped on campus so I doubt he would change his mind.

We know Days's physical limitations, but next year would be a chance for him to become the focal point of LSU's team. He was mostly a reserve in years 1 and 2. This year while LSU fans recognized his importance to the team he was largely overlooked relative to Thomas, Smart, Watford. Next year would be his first opportunity to be in the spotlight and it could be one of those situations where tremendous production could help mitigate the physical concerns...similar to Grant Williams at Tennessee (1st round pick) and Admiral Schofield (2nd round pick). Neither had ideal size for their skillset but both played their way into being drafted simply based on production. Days is about the same size as Williams...but he's just as good a rebounder and a much better shooter. There are LOT of points leaving that LSU needs to find next year. Days averaged 12 and 8 while taking (on average) 4-8 shots less than the "big 3" and playing about 7 minutes less per game.

Being "the guy" on next year's team he could likely average 16 and 9/10. That's 1st team All SEC type numbers
Posted by macaoidh
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 9:23 am to
The guy I would absolutely LOVE to get would be Tanner Groves.

But I have a suspicion he and his brother are going to Gonzaga. They're both from Spokane.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33972 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:22 am to
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The guy I would absolutely LOVE to get would be Tanner Groves.

But I have a suspicion he and his brother are going to Gonzaga. They're both from Spokane.


I think maybe the best place to start is to look at guys who Wade recruited out of HS. Recruiting is about relationships and you can generally find the connection for seemingly out of nowhere guys once you start to look.

Wilkinson from Las Vegas...father's family is from Baton Rouge.

Fudge from Jacksonville...family in Lafayette

Knight, transfer from SJSU....from Lafayette

Wade obviously has ties to Virginia. Nickleberry has deep ties to metro-DC. That's why I think the center from Georgetown may be someone to watch. He went to HS in metro DC and LSU recruited him out of HS. Plus, he was a (briefly) a teammate of Leblanc (though I don't know if there is a relationship between them). If you want a "rim protector" and rebounder....there is your guy
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:27 am to
The Williams abd Schofield comparison is right on

Days (and Watford) should come back
Posted by SCP
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
1337 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:36 am to
Even if a player improves draft status by staying in school, the long term earning potential for most is arguably better by going pro sooner rather than later. They start making money earlier and improve their games sooner. Like it or not, there is a stigma on 3 and 4 year players. Pro teams would rather start molding players at younger ages. This is what happens in soccer and makes sense for basketball as well, IMO.

I don't see Watford as a first round draft choice because of his physical limitations. Same with Days and Smart. I'm not saying it is impossible. There are hundreds of players in the same boat and 30 first round spots (16 non lottery spots).

The comparisons to players who became first round draft picks by staying for all 4 years are the exceptions that prove the rule, IMO.
Posted by lsu711
Member since Sep 2003
14696 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:07 am to
Imagine if Watford came back and played a season even close to what he did on 1 day in Nashville against Bama. He’d be a lottery pick.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:15 am to
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Thomas will and Watford could be late 2nd.


Agree about Watford. Thomas will be a mid first round draft pick and Smart an early second round IMO.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:29 am to
In terms of the freshman coming in and without knowing who the new transfers will be I expect Fudge and Bradley Ezewiro to start. Murray and Colbert will come off the bench for a lot of playing time.

Fudge, Murray and Ezewiro are natural scorers.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
15847 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:30 am to
No offense, S, but how can someone “love” Smart. That guy had so much ability and was soooo lazy. He dominated the Michigan game. He could have done that all year. He’s a good player and I wish he’d come back, but his production is 1/3 of what he was capable of
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:37 am to
Lazy? Inconsistent maybe but that was the whole ethos of this team, not just Smart.

If only we played Tennessee every game
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
10104 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:44 am to
I know we have been on a few incoming freshman still


But I really think the goal will be a guard that can come in and score, probably a senior transfer, then an experienced big who can run the court and protect the rim.


He is small but I just noticed Fatts Russell from Rhode Island is in the portal, he would be a sweet get imo. Reminds me a lot of Tremont
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 11:49 am
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:46 am to
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This post was edited on 10/17/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
7255 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:57 am to
A good point. Days could become an NBA player, but returning for his senior year could benefit him tremendously.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33972 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:08 pm to
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In terms of the freshman coming in and without knowing who the new transfers will be I expect Fudge and Bradley Ezewiro to start.


Fudge probably. I don't see Ezewiro starting. Big strong kid to mold, but he's still a project. Colbert is someone who is a little more in the Watford mold. He's 6'9" but not uncomfortable playing outside the post. I'd see him starting over Ezwiro...who will likely be more of an Emmitt Williams type of player. He will rebound and bring some toughness...though his offensive game is probably somewhat limited to buckets around the basket.
Posted by Fox McCloud
Member since Oct 2020
3525 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:51 pm to
Cam johnson is seriously going pro? He won’t be a first round pick with his shot selection and being undersized. He’s only 6’1, not 6’4 like he’s listed. He could easily use another year and will get dominated in the pros with taller defenders.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
33972 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:08 pm to
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Cam johnson is seriously going pro? He won’t be a first round pick with his shot selection and being undersized. He’s only 6’1, not 6’4 like he’s listed. He could easily use another year and will get dominated in the pros with taller defenders.


Your post might have more credibility if you actually got the player's name right
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
15847 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:43 pm to
His Soph and JR years there were games he literally just didn’t try to guard or attack. So yea, I saw lots of laziness. And for sure it’s the team as a whole, but I always said when Smart is the aggressor our team takes after him. I think his laziness on D (I say laziness because he can absolutely defend) was the start, not the whole , but the start of our problems on D
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