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re: Now that the dust has settled - re: Oline recruiting
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:28 am to Magician2
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:28 am to Magician2
Of course we would have liked to sign more OL, but we will add at least 1-2 transfer guys that will count in 2021. 2022 class is off to a hot start. The best part of all 5 starters coming back next season will be the continued development of the younger guys without having to be thrown in the fire too early.
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:34 am to Magician2
Cregg got the job in December of 2017. So I think it is fair to say his first recruiting class was 2019
LSU signed 4 OL in that class (5 if you want to say Ray Parker would have been moved to OL). On paper the class looked pretty good. Two season later it looks awful.
Thomas and Bradford couldn't sniff the field last season despite the OL clearly having some struggles and some injuries/suspensions popping up during the season. Turner still looks too small to play...as many thought he would be when LSU signed him and Perry just looks like he's here to wear the uniform...not actually play. Parker was kicked off the team. Thus, it is VERY possible that 2019 haul will be a complete bust.
In 2020 he signed 3 guys. The jury is still out on all of them...which is fair.
In recruiting the 2021 class LSU HAD to know the 2019 OL class may not be looking all that promising, right? Still, they were only able to sign 2 OL. I agree that LSU appears to have been saved (in the short term) by the fact that all 5 starters from last year are returning. But I can't imagine they were EXPECTING that to be the case during the recruitment period.
LSU is almost certainly going to lose 3 starters after next year. They very well may lose all 5. I would say there is cause for concern after next season...unless you are expecting one or more true freshmen to come in and start...which is a big ask.
LSU signed 4 OL in that class (5 if you want to say Ray Parker would have been moved to OL). On paper the class looked pretty good. Two season later it looks awful.
Thomas and Bradford couldn't sniff the field last season despite the OL clearly having some struggles and some injuries/suspensions popping up during the season. Turner still looks too small to play...as many thought he would be when LSU signed him and Perry just looks like he's here to wear the uniform...not actually play. Parker was kicked off the team. Thus, it is VERY possible that 2019 haul will be a complete bust.
In 2020 he signed 3 guys. The jury is still out on all of them...which is fair.
In recruiting the 2021 class LSU HAD to know the 2019 OL class may not be looking all that promising, right? Still, they were only able to sign 2 OL. I agree that LSU appears to have been saved (in the short term) by the fact that all 5 starters from last year are returning. But I can't imagine they were EXPECTING that to be the case during the recruitment period.
LSU is almost certainly going to lose 3 starters after next year. They very well may lose all 5. I would say there is cause for concern after next season...unless you are expecting one or more true freshmen to come in and start...which is a big ask.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:35 am to Magician2
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This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:35 am to Alt26
They will need transfers next year to play immediately. May have to take 6-7 total players.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:37 am to Magician2
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Putting all the eggs in the basket on Leigh was retarded - outside of Byrd where were other quality lineman in our recruiting efforts?
There should have been one more targeted and we should have closed on Leigh. However, I love how you ignore that Dillinger was once the top recruit in the entire class and is still a high 4 star.
Let’s see if Cregg can deliver with the table set in its favor this year and what we can get from the portal. It’s not ideal. It’s also not worth all your fricking wailing and gnashing of teeth.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 11:45 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:48 am to Alt26
I think you’re prematurely judge the 2019 class
Say what you want they’re Sophmores.
People expect immediate results and that’s not always the case.
Say what you want they’re Sophmores.
People expect immediate results and that’s not always the case.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:49 am to CatfishJohn
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Kimo - Average guard prospect, fairly high ceiling but also bust potential, pretty raw
The few clips I've seen of him show great feet and overall quickness. I could be way off but I wouldn't be shocked to see him playing RT down the road. It's hard to judge strength when these prospects are playing against 170 lb DE's but his quickness at his size is impressive.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 11:49 am to pizza
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Well we have 9 OL who will be listed as Freshmen (either by redshirting or last year not counting). Perry, Bradford, Thomas, Turner, Martinez, Hill, Dumervil, Dellinger and Makaneole. I am not saying we didn't need Leigh or another highly talented OL in the class, it is just not as dire as the numerous thread that beat this horse to death portray.
That list of players isn't as great as it used to be. Some of those guys have really failed to breakthrough and play up to their high school potential.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:02 pm to Magician2
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I'm glad we are starting 2022 off hot but it still won't address the 2020 and 2021 classes
Maybe we go back in the time machine and change all of the top prospects minds.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:06 pm to Le Tenia
Maybe we can get a coach to recruit the Oline consistently and not shite the bed.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:06 pm to Magician2
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Putting all the eggs in the basket on Leigh was retarded -
that is such a dumb statement. You really think that because they were recruiting Leigh that they werent also trying to recruit other OL's?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:22 pm to CatfishJohn
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That list of players isn't as great as it used to be. Some of those guys have really failed to breakthrough and play up to their high school potential.
Other than Bradford and Thomas, who have been disappointments to this point? And Bradford is only one because of his weight. If he gets it in check this off-season, he will make an impact. Everyone around the program who mentions him says that’s his only problem.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:26 pm to Magician2
Let’s be honest.. Cregg is a TERRIBLE recruiter when you compare him to LSU’s contemporaries.
Does it warrant, yet another post about how bad he is... nope.
Here are the facts: He re-recruited our suspect OLine from last year. Everybody is pretty optimistic that they will be better just based on experience. We shall see.
There is a solid 2022 class already in the pipeline. Most of which were givens: Bordelon, Campbell and Jones.
He did get Taylor. He may land Agbo.
If I’m O, where I evaluate him is, can he sign LSU another elite tackle? Top 150 guy. Booker, Early, Livingston, etc.
Pair that evaluation with, he better have a great coaching season on the field, because expectations are high with all the experience coming back.
Does it warrant, yet another post about how bad he is... nope.
Here are the facts: He re-recruited our suspect OLine from last year. Everybody is pretty optimistic that they will be better just based on experience. We shall see.
There is a solid 2022 class already in the pipeline. Most of which were givens: Bordelon, Campbell and Jones.
He did get Taylor. He may land Agbo.
If I’m O, where I evaluate him is, can he sign LSU another elite tackle? Top 150 guy. Booker, Early, Livingston, etc.
Pair that evaluation with, he better have a great coaching season on the field, because expectations are high with all the experience coming back.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:44 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
Agree, Cregg sucks. LSU can do better.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:56 pm to Magician2
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Now that the dust has settled - re: Oline recruiting by Magician2
What an abjunct failure by O and Cregg yet again in recruiting the Oline.
I'll preface by saying I am happy all of our starters are returning but the limited class from 2020 and now 2021 will cause headaches down the road.
Why can't we consistently recruit multiple 5* hell 4* O line guys like Bama, OSU, Clemson, UGa, OU?
This is coming off a national championship year and our Oline winning the Moore award as best unit.
The fact we have starters returning is amazing but if we lose veteran guys to the portal filling it in with JUCOs isn't going to glue everything together.
Putting all the eggs in the basket on Leigh was retarded - outside of Byrd where were other quality lineman in our recruiting efforts?
you must be one miserable mother fricker.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 12:59 pm to SammyTiger
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I would agree, but for the fact the OL had their share of struggles last year...yet no one from that class was apparently good enough or ready enough for the coaches to try someone else. That may not have been more evident than in the Florida game. Hines gets hurt. Wire came into replace him. Then, Deculus goes down. Marlon Martinez, a true freshmen, gets inserted at GUARD kicking Wire out to tackle. And this wasn't a game against McNeese St. This was a game against a top 5 opponent that LSU was VERY much in a battle win vs. say the quick blowout vs. Bama. Yet, in that moment, (a game that ultimately turned the momentum around to close out the season) the staff clearly felt a true freshman was a better option to insert than any of the 2019 class.
I'm not saying these guys can't become good players. But you have to admit things don't look great when you are being passed up for guys a year younger and LESS experienced.
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think you’re prematurely judge the 2019 class
Say what you want they’re Sophmores.
People expect immediate results and that’s not always the case.
I would agree, but for the fact the OL had their share of struggles last year...yet no one from that class was apparently good enough or ready enough for the coaches to try someone else. That may not have been more evident than in the Florida game. Hines gets hurt. Wire came into replace him. Then, Deculus goes down. Marlon Martinez, a true freshmen, gets inserted at GUARD kicking Wire out to tackle. And this wasn't a game against McNeese St. This was a game against a top 5 opponent that LSU was VERY much in a battle win vs. say the quick blowout vs. Bama. Yet, in that moment, (a game that ultimately turned the momentum around to close out the season) the staff clearly felt a true freshman was a better option to insert than any of the 2019 class.
I'm not saying these guys can't become good players. But you have to admit things don't look great when you are being passed up for guys a year younger and LESS experienced.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:08 pm to Magician2
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What an abjunct failure
Ok, I’ll ask. What’s an abjunct?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:16 pm to Smell the crawfish
Given where we are any days of a transfer portal how do you intend to stockpile five star offensive lineman??
There are only a handful of this caliber player each cycle and every single one of them wants early playing time.
Do you really believe they are going to sit for LSU’s benefit of having a stockpile? Because I can tell you right now and the likelihood of that happening is slim to none
There are only a handful of this caliber player each cycle and every single one of them wants early playing time.
Do you really believe they are going to sit for LSU’s benefit of having a stockpile? Because I can tell you right now and the likelihood of that happening is slim to none
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:18 pm to Alt26
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I would agree, but for the fact the OL had their share of struggles last year..
True! But, they were playing much better toward the end of the season. I don't think they gave up a sack vs Florida. Vs Ole Miss, we started the third team running back, he was injured. Then we had a walkon and a true freshman who had not carried the ball all season. So we had a freshman QB, RB, TE, and two wide receivers. Yet we won both games on the road. Somebody was blocking.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 1:24 pm to ConeHawk
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Agree, Cregg sucks. LSU can do better.
No conehead you suck. You don't have a clue. Just another jackal that follows the pack of jackals here that think Cregg stinks and jackals love dead meat.
You actually think Cregg covers all the recruiting areas? It's not his responsibility to cover all areas only one recruiting area. We signed five O lineman his first year so stop your whining and grow up.
Do some research conehead.
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