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Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:44 pm to T1gerWonder
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I'm not sure why we don't seem to want him
Did someone tell him they don't want him?
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:45 pm to Cadello
Thanks Saintsfan I don't pay attention to Tigerbait so I didn't know that part.
There is a big reason why Curtis Riser's comments were different. He never visited LSU. He missed the jr day and commited to Texas the next week. Not seeing the basis of that post.Also Greg Robinson was a lifelong LSU fan but he didn't end up at LSU. Denzell Devall also said when offered he was a lifelong LSU fan. Forgive me for not believing every word that comes out of a kids mouth.
I actually watch game film on most kids I feel strongly about. Every play instead of just the good ones. Highlights don't show how kids take plays off or if the highlight is the only good play the kid made in a game.
I love our staff but they aren't perfect. Quite honestly far from it. They do deserve the benefit of trust on evals and Les in particular is a great evaluator of OL talent. That, however, doesn't mean he makes no mistakes. He and our staff are famous for slowplaying kids and sometimes it comes back to haunt them. I can love the staff and trust them while criticizing them at the same time. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Imo they made a mistake not offering Wilson. Trust me I'm far from alone in that opinion. Even our best insiders were expecting an offer for Wilson today.
There is a big reason why Curtis Riser's comments were different. He never visited LSU. He missed the jr day and commited to Texas the next week. Not seeing the basis of that post.Also Greg Robinson was a lifelong LSU fan but he didn't end up at LSU. Denzell Devall also said when offered he was a lifelong LSU fan. Forgive me for not believing every word that comes out of a kids mouth.
I actually watch game film on most kids I feel strongly about. Every play instead of just the good ones. Highlights don't show how kids take plays off or if the highlight is the only good play the kid made in a game.
I love our staff but they aren't perfect. Quite honestly far from it. They do deserve the benefit of trust on evals and Les in particular is a great evaluator of OL talent. That, however, doesn't mean he makes no mistakes. He and our staff are famous for slowplaying kids and sometimes it comes back to haunt them. I can love the staff and trust them while criticizing them at the same time. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Imo they made a mistake not offering Wilson. Trust me I'm far from alone in that opinion. Even our best insiders were expecting an offer for Wilson today.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:47 pm to lsufanva
The Texas coaches were scared shitless he would commit to us this weekend.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:48 pm to MOT
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Did someone tell him they don't want him?
Don't think so. But we didn't offer him so I'm going by that at this point in time
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:54 pm to lsufanva
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I love our staff but they aren't perfect.
quote:Bad use of words. That's the slights I'm talking about that makes the staff not take people here seriously.
Quite honestly far from it
Of course someone on the staff reads this board, I was told that by someone that was told that by a staff member.
quote:No they aren't. But just look at some of the comments made on this site about the staff lately. If you were a coach would you take someone seriously that just called you an idiot?
I can love the staff and trust them while criticizing them at the same time. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive. Imo they made a mistake not offering Wilson. Trust me I'm far from alone in that opinion. Even our best insiders were expecting an offer for Wilson today.
I know I wouldn't.
There are some good guys here posting truth and that needs to be seen, I'm just frustrated having to goes through hate filled posts to find it.
Yes LSU lost the NCG and it's time to move on.
This will be a great season, just like last year.
These kids deserve our support, not the Miles bashing that goes on every day.
It doesn't help LSU one bit.
And it's all about LSU
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:57 pm to T1gerWonder
An excellent synopsis for now. See if in the future it holds the same weight.
Excellent post Cadello
Excellent post Cadello
This post was edited on 2/4/12 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 2/4/12 at 10:04 pm to moneyg
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The average fan watches 5 minutes of highlight clips on the internet, calls it "film" like they are doing some kind of in depth breakdown, makes minor adjustments to the spoon fed rankings of Rivals, Scout, etc. and then think they are qualified.
Great post. Added to it.
Those Rivals and Scout guys have a direct influence on who the coaches know about. You are kidding yourself if you think the coaches do not utilize the rankings and these external parties as recruiting 'consultants'.
The recruiting sites have an economy of scale that college programs cannot match.
I would argue that most college coaches utilize the A)state HS coaching networking and B) the recruiting sites/publishers for the large majority of their insights into recruits worth checking out.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 10:09 pm to saintsfan22
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There were times when DJ Banks, Terrance Broadway, Jacob Karam, Jabriel Washington were all considered must gets on here
What dumbasses.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 11:29 pm to Cadello
How is saying the staff isn't perfect and far from it a slight? It's the absolute truth. My thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with the game on Jan 9. I'm talking purely in terms of recruiting and evaluating. They have plenty of misses on their resumes as well as hits. I can list quite a few. It's not a perfect science. That's not a criticism, more an observation.
Also how many of us really believe the coaches give a damn what we think about who they offer or how they evaluate? I don't. The way I see it they get paid millions in Les' case and hundreds of thousands for everyone else, they can deal with a little unrest from the fanbase. I personally could care less if they take what I post on a message board seriously. I have no fantasies that they care anyway.
I do understand your overall point about the Miles bashing and I'm on your side in that. Not for all the same reasons as you but overall because it's not healthy for the fanbase or programs perception. Still in that regard he nor any other member of the staff are above criticism when it's warranted as in the days after 1/9.
Also how many of us really believe the coaches give a damn what we think about who they offer or how they evaluate? I don't. The way I see it they get paid millions in Les' case and hundreds of thousands for everyone else, they can deal with a little unrest from the fanbase. I personally could care less if they take what I post on a message board seriously. I have no fantasies that they care anyway.
I do understand your overall point about the Miles bashing and I'm on your side in that. Not for all the same reasons as you but overall because it's not healthy for the fanbase or programs perception. Still in that regard he nor any other member of the staff are above criticism when it's warranted as in the days after 1/9.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:22 am to CatahoulaTigers
I'm wondering if LSU wants to get more people in camp evaluations this year outside the very few prospects they're absolutely sure about getting early offers.
Wonder why they didn't offer Wilson...he looks pretty damn good on film.
Wonder why they didn't offer Wilson...he looks pretty damn good on film.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:25 am to thunderbird1100
So we get commits from nla, people were bitching about that. We sign avery good db from Texas, people were complaining about that. Now we don't offer a kid with a year to go, and people are mad ab that. Nothing will make y'all happy. We can win the bcs next year and if we don't finish with a top 5 class, people will be pissed. Im just glad I dont walk in ur shoes.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:28 am to dgnx6
In all honesty, LSU shouldn't have any problems finishing with a top 5 class this year with some big time blue chip OOS prospects. We're coming fresh off a dominant year and NC appearance...
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:36 am to lsufanva
The point should be no staff is perfect, seriously bama does not get every recruit they offer. Actually id think some of the smaller schools have way more success rate than the bama and lsu of the world.
But to get upset about the coaching staff not offering a player is retarded. If every player shunned the school they like, cus someone offered first, them a lot of higher rated players would be going to shittier bcs programs.
If I would have chose the first school to send me an acceptance letter, I wouldn't have gone to the school I truly wanted to.
But to get upset about the coaching staff not offering a player is retarded. If every player shunned the school they like, cus someone offered first, them a lot of higher rated players would be going to shittier bcs programs.
If I would have chose the first school to send me an acceptance letter, I wouldn't have gone to the school I truly wanted to.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:15 am to Cadello
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There are some good guys here posting truth and that needs to be seen, I'm just frustrated having to goes through hate filled posts to find it.
+10000000000
pages and pages on the thread and only 5 posts worth reading. The rest is either repitition or bickering between two posters.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:16 am to lynxcat
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Those Rivals and Scout guys have a direct influence on who the coaches know about. You are kidding yourself if you think the coaches do not utilize the rankings and these external parties as recruiting 'consultants'.
Lynxcat, you couldn't be more wrong with this statement. Rivals and Scout function to let the fans know more about recruits and recruiting.
Dr. Sam Nader and Coach Charles Baggio head the LSU Football Recruiting Program that has identified potential recruits long before Rivals, Scout and the other fan services have a clue who these kids are.
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I would argue that most college coaches utilize the A)state HS coaching networking and B) the recruiting sites/publishers for the large majority of their insights into recruits worth checking out.
I would agree that it is vitally important for a School's Athletic Dept. to maintain positive relationships within a State's High School Coaching Network in order to recruit effectively. However, the Coaching Staff does not derive insight into prospective recruits from Rivals, Scout or any of the other internet recruiting sites; those functions are performed in-house by professionals who are very good at what they do.
This post was edited on 2/5/12 at 2:22 am
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:27 am to Boudreaux in SF
I think schools with small recruiting budgets are forced to use commercial recruiting sites(Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247, Maxpreps, Athlon, etc) as references but the large programs with big budgets have their own talent evaluators and record keepers that are far more adept at this than those sites. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Coppage, who probably runs into Miles and his assistants quite frequently, say, "OBTW, I know this one kid whom you should took a look at" every once in a while and they listen.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:35 am to Boudreaux in SF
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Lynxcat, you couldn't be more wrong with this statement. Rivals and Scout function to let the fans know more about recruits and recruiting.
Dr. Sam Nader and Coach Charles Baggio head the LSU Football Recruiting Program that has identified potential recruits long before Rivals, Scout and the other fan services have a clue who these kids are.
Of course the coaches have internal staff, but the recruiting sites are an asset that is definitely used. Do not undermine how much those sites allow for LSU to learn about players across the nation with interest in the program.
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I would agree that it is vitally important for a School's Athletic Dept. to maintain positive relationships within a State's High School Coaching Network in order to recruit effectively. However, the Coaching Staff does not derive insight into prospective recruits from Rivals, Scout or any of the other internet recruiting sites; those functions are performed in-house by professionals who are very good at what they do.
The coaches make their own assessments of the players but pay sites offer an avenue for the coaches to learn about the recruit -- especially on the national level.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:39 am to coldhotwings
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I think schools with small recruiting budgets are forced to use commercial recruiting sites(Rivals, Scout, ESPN, 247, Maxpreps, Athlon, etc) as references but the large programs with big budgets have their own talent evaluators and record keepers that are far more adept at this than those sites. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Coppage, who probably runs into Miles and his assistants quite frequently, say, "OBTW, I know this one kid whom you should took a look at" every once in a while and they listen.
Yes, you are very correct.
Smaller schools rely on recruiting sites more than the larger ones, but all schools use them. College programs would be incompetant to NOT use these services. It gives the coaches economies or scale and reach that would otherwise be impossible to attain without an army of recruiters/staff/evaluators/support staff/etc. The recruiting sites are basically extended arms that provide insight for the coaches that they otherwise would not have access to.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:42 am to lynxcat
I don't know if Ishmael's coach, Ahab, will be pleased with him not getting an offer.
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