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Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:54 am to Mats86
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:54 am to Mats86
Shooting is more if a skill where defense is more if an attitude. There are some techniques when it comes to defense but in my opinion defense can be coached up easier than shooting. Hopefully he can get that defensive mindset instilled in his players.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:50 am to mcspufftiger7
Both can be improved through coaching/training and shooting is harder to coach up in season. However defense is as much about natural talent as any part of the game. To be a good-great defender you need height, length, lateral quickness, explosiveness etc. Attitude or "want to" can't give you those things. To reduce defense down to attitude is a tired cliché
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 9:51 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 9:52 am to OGtigerfan87
Agree. As I said there is technique involved in defense but it is easier to coach defense than shooting and scoring in my opinion. Just like rebounding. there is some technique but effort is 80% of rebounding.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 11:34 am to mcspufftiger7
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Shooting is more if a skill where defense is more if an attitude. There are some techniques when it comes to defense but in my opinion defense can be coached up easier than shooting. Hopefully he can get that defensive mindset instilled in his players.
I agree to an extent with this, players can get completely lost in translation if there's a heavy switching/rotation defense or hedging, ice, etc. There's not a whole bunch of straight man to man(no help) defense anymore. To your point, you can coach effort and hustle which definitely can be coached much quicker than shooting woes.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 12:39 pm to mcspufftiger7
Eh I think that is also a cliche that ignores that most great rebounders have length, explosiveness, tremendous strength , or some associated physical talent that can't be taught. It undervalues the talent it takes to be a great rebounder just like similar takes underestimate how talented you need to be a top level defender. Effort, want to, attitude can keep you from being terrible in those areas as along as you have a decent baseline of talent but you will almost never see somebody be great without top level physical attributes.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 1:24 pm to OGtigerfan87
Bill Laimbeer was a top rebounder in the NBA for years and couldn't jump over a paper bag. Wes Unseld was a top rebounder at 6'7". Moses Malone said rebounding was all about effort and want to. That last statement can be seen locally with Aneesah Morrow. The top rebunder in women's basketball at 6 '.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 5/16/25 at 7:47 am to OGtigerfan87
Eyeball test for me is McMahon’s teams have seemed very soft and possibly poorly conditioned relative to Wade’s teams. Effort also subjectively way worse. I’m sure talent is important for many things on the basketball court, but observed subjective trend is poor defense and soft toughness is more coaching related than talent drop off. McMahon has done a poor job instilling the grit and toughness necessary to be good at defense to date imo. Better explanation than players half as good as when Wade was here.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 8:39 am to JR Hamilsbach
I'll respectfully disagree with that. LSU's defense is what kept them in games against teams with way more talent last season. The effort and hustle was always there they just couldn't overcome the scoring droughts we would go through. We could have beaten OM, FL, TN and and Bama last year, all elite teams, and we were right there with Auburn for most of the game. Eventually talent overcame those efforts, Hopefully we have more scoring options this year and can provide the effort on defense to capitalize on it.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 9:09 am to mcspufftiger7
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LSU's defense is what kept them in games against teams with way more talent last season
We weren’t a good defensive team. Our offense being so inept and running deep into the shot clock every possession shortened games and limited opponent possessions. If we were a good defensive team we wouldn’t have lost by nearly 40 at home to a middling Texas, given up nearly 100 and never been close at rupp, lost by nearly 30 (state scored 91) in what turned out to be the finale.
You had teams like a&m who were happy to get into a rock fight, hence the low scores, or Tennessee who basically went through the motions in a morgue of a pmac on a Tuesday night and snuck away with a low scoring win.
Not trying to be negative but no, we were not good defensively and i could have told you that when vandy pantsed us in the conference opener.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 9:48 am to S
Again you can pick and choose different games. Vandy beat us because their big simply backed Chest and Collins back to within 4 foot of the goal and used his size to score. Don't believe that happens with Reed there but it was the first SEC game of the year.The fact is we were in games with Bama, Ole Miss, FL, TN and Auburn deep and it wasn't because of the offense. Yes there were games we got blown out which was the result of playing 5 inexperienced young player that brought that inconsistency and not really gonna waste my time explaining getting blown out by Miss St without Reed, Ward, Vmiller and chest. In fact a few of the last games were without all 4.Hit even a few 3's and beat Bama on the road. Chest doesn't screw up and we beat OM at home. Had Fl on the ropes but then their 7 footer took over in the paint. Again with Reed in there I don't think he dominates 2nd half that much. Played close with Auburn and OM on the road. Lack of scoring. was the major issue and late in those games talent of the other teams took over.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 10:00 am to mcspufftiger7
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Vandy beat us because their big simply backed Chest and Collins back to within 4 foot of the goal and used his size to score. Don't believe that happens with Reed
Carey? He had 14 points on 6-12 shooting. Decent output but hardly an insurmountable obstacle.
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The fact is we were in games with Bama, Ole Miss, FL, TN and Auburn deep and it wasn't because of the offense
We should have definitely beat ole miss but the whole team folded spectacularly. (But I know Chest is your fall guy for everything. ) Never felt like we were going to win against Bama or Tennessee. They had the horses to hit the necessary levels in crunch time.
Florida could have ran us out the gym but they got lackadaisical and we went on that run. Fair enough. But when they needed to turn it back on they did. Who knows what difference Reed would have made? Probably minimal either way since he’s always been so inconsistent.
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Played close with Auburn and OM on the road
Oh man.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 10:32 am to S
So the other teams had "the horses " in other words better talent. Which is what i said in my post. You can laugh all you want but we were close in all of those games until late in 4th qtr. Basically nothing you said changed anything I said. Our defense kept us in games but our offense sucked and the other teams talent eventually was the difference. Yes Reed and Ward would have made a difference in a few of those games in my opinion regardless of how inconsistent Reed could be.Carey doesn't back him down to the goal easily He would have presented a post up option that we didn't have at all until later in the season as BMiller developed. And he could pull the bigs out of the lane as he was a decent 3 point shooter and could take them off the dribble. They never came out of the paint when Chest and Collins were outside which crowded driving lanes to the basket.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 12:10 pm to mcspufftiger7
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Again you can pick and choose different games. Vandy beat us because their big simply backed Chest and Collins back to within 4 foot of the goal and used his size to score. Don't believe that happens with Reed there but it was the first SEC game of the year.The fact is we were in games with Bama, Ole Miss, FL, TN and Auburn deep and it wasn't because of the offense. Yes there were games we got blown out which was the result of playing 5 inexperienced young player that brought that inconsistency and not really gonna waste my time explaining getting blown out by Miss St without Reed, Ward, Vmiller and chest. In fact a few of the last games were without all 4.Hit even a few 3's and beat Bama on the road. Chest doesn't screw up and we beat OM at home. Had Fl on the ropes but then their 7 footer took over in the paint. Again with Reed in there I don't think he dominates 2nd half that much. Played close with Auburn and OM on the road. Lack of scoring. was the major issue and late in those games talent of the other teams took over.
LSU was better defensively last year than at any point in the McMahon era. That's a fact. But I don't think any objective person would call them a "good" defense. As far as LSU's competitiveness in the SEC, that's debatable. Sure, there were some close games that a few plays here or there could have changed the outcome favorably for LSU. Particularly the Vanderbilt and Ole Miss games....MAYBE even Alabama (though it never felt like LSU truly had a chance to win that one). However, LSU's average scoring margin in SEC play was the lowest (-10) of any team. Their average margin of defeat in 15 losses was 13 points. That's not very many "close" games. If we are propping up "close losses" as reason for optimism, then even South Carolina has a better argument than LSU with a 3 point loss to Auburn, 3 point loss @ Vandy, 1 point loss to Florida, 4 point loss to A&M, etc.
McMahon's teams haven't been good at ANYTHING in his 3 years at LSU. Better than bad still isn't "good". That doesn't mean next year's team can't be good. But doing so means that team will have to significantly reverse virtually every trend of the last 3 seasons.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:01 pm to Alt26
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McMahon's teams haven't been good at ANYTHING in his 3 years at LSU. Better than bad still isn't "good". That doesn't mean next year's team can't be good. But doing so means that team will have to significantly reverse virtually every trend of the last 3 seasons.
The beautiful part of next year is that it will be the season of NO EXCUSES. The undisputed standard for the entire fanbase (even for the most fervent McMen) will be NCAA TOURNAMENT OR BUST. And I mean squarely in the tournament. Not this business of being in the 11 seed play-in game and then getting dismantled by UAB. That doesn’t count in my book.
It is high time for this guy to start producing instead of just taking money.
Win-win situation for fans like me though!
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:20 pm to Circle K Beggar
Don't think I used the term close losses but my point was they were competitive until late in the game when the talent took over for the other teams. SC was almost a mirror image of us as far as that goes. And it was defense that kept us in many of those games until late in the second half but when you don't j have the offense to sustain that then you inevitably lose. A 13 point loss is double digits yes but it can be an 8 point game with 4 minutes left and you end up losing by 13. That is a competitive game under any circumstance. Especially with teams that went to the sweet 16, elite 8 and final 4 not to mention the eventual national champion. Truth is we beat a sweet 16 team, should have beaten another in Ole Miss and were competitive till late with Auburn. AL and FL. We also got blown out by TX, Mizzou and Miss St although St was without Reed, Ward, Chest and Vmiller, This is definitely a no excuses season this year. I do agree with that.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:13 pm to Circle K Beggar
I don’t think “fans” like you will be happy AT ALL if McMahon wins and we get into the tournament. Y’all have written his obituary, so if he wins it will become “Great! Now we have this terrible coach for at least a couple more seasons.”
You loathe him so much you can never enjoy the sport while he is here. That is fairly obvious
You loathe him so much you can never enjoy the sport while he is here. That is fairly obvious
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:29 pm to mcspufftiger7
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Don't think I used the term close losses but my point was they were competitive until late in the game when the talent took over for the other teams.
Or poor conditioning, poor coaching and/or losing mentality of team who doesn’t know how to win/have confidence they could win. Each explanation as good as the next, talent, conditioning, mentality/culture.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 5:56 pm to mcspufftiger7
You're wrong. We were close (McMahon supporters favorite accomplishment) until late in the FIFTH quarter, Einstein.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 6:02 pm to LSUButt
We can't enjoy the sport while he's here because we get our asses handed to us on an ungodly consistent basis by any team with a pulse.
All this "coach" has to do to win me over is perform as well OR BETTER than Wade did here.
I don't care who coaches us, I want us at the Auburn, bama, and Tennessee level in the SEC. The guy before had us on that track. This funeral home director is CLUELESS.
All this "coach" has to do to win me over is perform as well OR BETTER than Wade did here.
I don't care who coaches us, I want us at the Auburn, bama, and Tennessee level in the SEC. The guy before had us on that track. This funeral home director is CLUELESS.
Posted on 5/17/25 at 11:49 pm to tigahlovah
How old are you?
Using multiple “funny” names to describe people is so lame. And you emphasize so many random words in sentences. Just silly
Again, you are proving my point about not being able to support basketball because you think you are so correct. Wade screwed up. He literally admits it. Our AD should not have fired him but Wade, admittedly, was arrogant and didn’t help his cause. Wade and MM should not be forever paired. Mcmahon’s boss screwed the program and screwed the coach. Let’s see what happens when we have a pulse
Using multiple “funny” names to describe people is so lame. And you emphasize so many random words in sentences. Just silly
Again, you are proving my point about not being able to support basketball because you think you are so correct. Wade screwed up. He literally admits it. Our AD should not have fired him but Wade, admittedly, was arrogant and didn’t help his cause. Wade and MM should not be forever paired. Mcmahon’s boss screwed the program and screwed the coach. Let’s see what happens when we have a pulse
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