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re: LSU Bama Recruiting Comparisons last 10 years
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:26 am to mdomingue
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:26 am to mdomingue
So Alabama had the top recruiting class 7 consecutive years, 8 out of 10 years, and the top 1-2 for 9 out of 10 years. They also had arguably the most sophisticated coaching staff, and they only have 5 National Championships? They need to fire that coach!
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:30 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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The demise of 2018 has been greatly exaggerated.
We'll find out this year. I hope you're right, but the ones that are left will be juniors this season and almost all of them will be counted on to make contributions. I'm specifically talking about Hines, Moore, Baskerville, Clark, Rosenthal/Wire & Cherry.
I'm not including Marshall, Chase and Curry, because I think we know what we've got with them. I think I know what we have with Clark too, but we're so thin and young at LB that he's really going to have to step up and not only provide solid play, but also solid leadership for that group.
Baskerville is a big question, IMO. I thought he showed a lot of promise his freshman year, but Queen and Phillips were so good last year, I think it was hard for him to get many meaningful snaps.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:33 am to LSUFM
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Damone Clark (how underrated was he?)
He was a 4*
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Some of them were vastly underrated.
Chris Curry - 4*
Chasen Hines - 4*
Dare Rosenthal - 4*
Micah Baskerville - 4*
Damone Clark - 4*
Nelson Jenkins - 3*
Terrace Marshall - 5*
Ja’Marr Chase - 4*
1 5*
6 4*
1 3*
How vastly underrated can a 4* be?
https://247sports.com/college/lsu/Season/2018-Football/Commits/
ETA: I trust CEO and LSU to continue to recruit at this very high level.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:35 am to mdomingue
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How vastly underrated can a 4* be?
The ones most people, myself included, thought were underrated are no longer on the team. Whoops.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:41 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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But the difference between 1-10 is not that great.
It absolutely is.
Compare Clemson's class this year (#1) with Oklahoma's class (#10).
The difference is 4-5 game changing players. Do that over a few years and suddenly you have an entire starting 22 that no one else can compete with.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:45 am to ROPO
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Draw a big circle around that 2018 class. When we drop a few games this season, that will be the answer.
So, no way we’d have built up any depth with the ‘19 or ‘20 classes that would overcome that class?
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:46 am to whitefoot
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The ones most people, myself included, thought were underrated are no longer on the team. Whoops.
That I get. People need to understand that some of recruiting rankings is a guessing game because you're trying to project a kid who is usually still growing and developing skills, so when they suddenly look like world beaters 2 years into college it looks like everybody except their hommers really screwed up. It's really kind of amazing they get as many 4 stars right as they do considering.
Neil Farrel, CEH, Justin Jefferson, and Racey McMath were all 3 stars but in the 2017 recruiting class. Jefferson was out lowest rated recruit that year.
Cush was a 3 star in 2016.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:50 am to whitefoot
To get the full view of that class, you have to include Cole Tracy and Joe Burrow.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:59 am to Cs
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It absolutely is.
Compare Clemson's class this year (#1) with Oklahoma's class (#10).
The difference is 4-5 game changing players. Do that over a few years and suddenly you have an entire starting 22 that no one else can compete with.
My post said 1-10 meaning 1-through-10 on average. So, sure you can cherry-pick some extreme examples. But the example in the OP has Alabama with an average of 1 and LSU with an average of nearly 7.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:02 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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To get the full view of that class, you have to include Cole Tracy and Joe Burrow.
Badara Traore and Terrance Alexander were also solid contributors from that class.
But none of those guys help us in 2020. I'm not judging the overall quality of the class. I'm only judging it by who's left and how do they help us in 2020. If the guys I mentioned don't step up this year, then we're going to be really young in 2020. Junior year is when most guys should be counted on to start making significant contributions to a team. If the 2018 guys can do that, even through all of the attrition, then it was a good class. If they can't, and we drop some games this year because we didn't have enough experience or depth in some areas, then it was an ok class that was a significant factor in short term success of the program, but didn't do it's job in helping to maintain success.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:02 am to Mando
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Drop a "FEW" games. Are you an imbecile?
He certainly appears to be.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:09 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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To get the full view of that class, you have to include Cole Tracy and Joe Burrow.
Correct.
And in that regard to 2018 class will go down as one of the most important in LSU history. Coach O even alluded to the fact that Burrow was the most important player to ever come along for this LSU football program.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:19 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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To get the full view of that class, you have to include Cole Tracy and Joe Burrow.
Of course. But that was not my point. Tracy and Burrow are no longer here. That class (the four year player part) is now the core of the team. We are going to drop some games (will it be 1 or 2 or 3? I don't know). I predict 10-2. And I'm OK with that because we'll go into 2021 with a lot of experience and depth and a senior QB with experience.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:50 pm to LSUgrad08112
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Explains why Bama looks human now. There’s a huuuuuuuge difference between A.) 5, 1, and 2 in the past 3 years and B.) being 1,1,1,1,1,1
And it was even worse than that. Back in the 2010 to 2017 years Bama's classes were way better than simply #1. They were getting about 40 or 50 4 and 5 star recruits, and then sifting through them to pick the absolute best 25. And then they were getting a couple of more to grey shirt. There was one year I remember their grey shirt would have been about our sixth highest ranked recruit.
That's all gone now. Bama is struggling to fill their class with 25 great players, just like the other top teams.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:57 pm to Dlab2013
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It’s also the class that brought us Burrow and Tracy.......how many wins have they accounted for?
I think we err in counting Tracey and Burrow as part of that class. The convention of counting guys as part of the class they signed with should be changed to counting them as part of the class they would graduate with if they fulfilled their eligibility. In that way we'd have a better predictor of each year's team.
As an example, take Ali Gaye. Ali will have two years of eligibility left, and he is expected to be in the two deep for the 2020 season. When we recruit a guy like Ali we are shoring up a deficiency in the 2018 class. In other words, we are robbing from 2020 to pay 2018.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:01 pm to LSUFM
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Some of them were vastly underrated.
Yeah, some of our 2018 class was underrated, but more were overrated. Cotton, Jones and Moore were four star players. They'd be lucky to get two stars in a re-rank.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:49 pm to ROPO
Except for LB, I don't see any personnel issues on this team.
And there are good players there, just unknowns.
If Clark can be the man, and a few others step up. There is no way this team is losing "a few games".
And there are good players there, just unknowns.
If Clark can be the man, and a few others step up. There is no way this team is losing "a few games".
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:52 pm to mdomingue
Qb and D line are the 2 most important recruiting positions. Lsu has done poorly at qb recruiting.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:08 pm to RadarTiger
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How tf did they sign 29 in 2017 after signing 25 the class before? Was that before the rule change?
There's different rules for Alabama.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:45 am to mdomingue
Sorry. I know he was a 4 star (Damone Clark), but at #357, he was underrated imo. All of those 4 stars were rated much lower than they should have been.
That resulted in a much lower overall class ranking.
That resulted in a much lower overall class ranking.
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