re: Landon Collins (No real substance here)

It happened before the NCG. No one was confident he flat out lied to the staff and his momma.

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are you kidding me?

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So, it's so easy that you go on to blah, blah, blah about the fact that Collins is good and that players don't have to feel obligated to stay in state (2 things nobody can disagree on), yet you don't name one guy that fits your scenario, and matter of factly name 3 that fit mine.

You really are a dumbass.

I don't necessarily disagree with any of your response, but it doesn't address the fact that recruits that have made a spectacle of their decision have not panned out at a higher rate than the norm.

And I still say you owe your home state the decency of a less public decision when leaving state, and that applies to all 50.

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So, it's so easy that you go on to blah, blah, blah about the fact that Collins is good and that players don't have to feel obligated to stay in state (2 things nobody can disagree on), yet you don't name one guy that fits your scenario, and matter of factly name 3 that fit mine.

You really are a dumbass.

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Actually I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Apparently you have identified the wrong poster as a dumb arse if you are not familar with any of the following:

Joe Ferguson, Neil Smith, Leroy Hoard, Kordell Stewart, Marshall Faulk, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Warrick Dunn, Travis Minor, Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne, John David Booty. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more.

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but it doesn't address the fact that recruits that have made a spectacle of their decision have not panned out at a higher rate than the norm.

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Naming a couple of knuckleheads doesn't prove anything. There are several players each year that wait until the UA game or signing day and pick hats, gloves, pull a dog out of a bag what ever. I really don't know, but doubt that a higher rate of those guys bust than the over all rate. Stuff like what Jackson and Perriloux did was lame and shows low character, that probably does lead to a higher bust rate. Nothing Landon Collins did was indicative of bad character.

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And I still say you owe your home state the decency of a less public decision when leaving state, and that applies to all 50.

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What are you a communitary? He owes LSU no more than he owes Tulane or ULL. The problem here is YOU (and people like you) and your reaction. The whole hat, glove nonsense is just for TV. Its stupid, that's why I don't watch. so what a 17 y/old kid, that has 50 y/old coaches kissing his arse from the time he's 15 enjoys a little attention. He did nothing wrong to LSUI and the LSU coaches went out and got a replacement.

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The ones who have not shown any respect at all, or let the receuiting process and their own hype get to their heads, have not had much in the way of success. And that even goes for the ones that we've gotten (RP for one). There is a pattern

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Collins is not in that group. sorry that a bunch of so called grow men are offended a kid announced his college choice was our rival on TV.

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Actually I was giving you the benefit of the doubt

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Joe Ferguson, Neil Smith, Leroy Hoard, Kordell Stewart, Marshall Faulk, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Warrick Dunn, Travis Minor, Ed Reed, Reggie Wayne, John David Booty. That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many more.

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Wow! These guys were recruited 20 years ago. I'm actually old enough to tell you a lot about them, but not a one of them was ever given the media attention of today's recruits.

There are many more that don't allow themselves to be used for the sake of drama than those who choose to "enjoy a little attention," as you put it. And by my recollection, they tend to have a higher level of success.

So, do you have any examples within the last 10 years? And, I was really wondering about the ones you listed that fit the profile. Which one of those guys played games?

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tigerfan4120

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If you look back on page, this was the statement I originally commented on:

Long list of LA recruits leaving the state and never panning out or having lackluster careers

Note how there is no mention of rivals or even a specified time period in that statement.

I responded by saying there was an equally long list of ones that have been stars. He then asked for a list so I provided.

He is now moving the goal posts, saying recent recruits and ones that announced their decision on national TV or whatever, but that is not what he originally said. Now, if we use that criteria, it is by no means a "long list". In fact, I can only think of a couple of guys: Collins, McKnight (who while not a star was not really a failure) are really the only ones I remember announcing on TV. Jackson switched his commitment after signing day, Davis on signing day, I'm not sure if either of those were on TV. There are also a couple of guys that announced for LSU on signing day recently like Randle and Rasco. Are we going to blast them for stringing LSU along or is it ok as long as they signed with LSU?

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John David Booty who neither fits in the category that wahoo was referring to nor had a successful career

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Dude started for a team that won the Rose Bowl and finished in the top 4, plus kicked around on an NFL roster, how is that not successful?

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list prospects IN THE MODERN RECRUITING ERA (let's say last 10 years you fool. Joe Ferguson? Lmao) that made a public spectacle of turning down LSU and have subsequently performed in college up their ranking and stayed out of trouble. There's a reason you had to go back 20 years...

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The reason i went back 20 years is because the criteria you just listed is not a long list, which he claimed and does not include Landon Collins. His mother made a spectacle on TV, all he did was announce he was going to Alabama by putting on their gloves. Dozens of kids do that every year.

Since Saban was hired, the list of top in state guys that LSU wanted and didn't get is not a long list, period.

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Now I completely disagree with you that Collins made a spectacle or strung LSU along.

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He played the game. He sold out for his 15 minutes of fame. He doesn't rank with McKnight or Jackson, for sure.

And, he may be the exception to the rule with his achievements. But, you refuse to admit that a trend exists, and you can't see any fault with the way he handled his affairs.

Had he committed to LSU, I would have cheered his accomplishments on the field, but he would have had to get there first, and I would have held my breath while he was off the field.

My use of "long" was probably exaggerated, and your explanations are clear. Thanks for taking the time to explain. We'll definitely agree to disagree on the direct correllation between how recruits handle their recruitment and how that translates to success on the field.

There are other recent recruits involving LSU that fall in the category (Seastrunk), but it's not a trend endemic to us.

Stop beating the dead horse.
LC bought what Satan was selling.
Hope he enjoys being the third place Jack Back.

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I laughed fwiw

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That was the point of this thread.

It's obviously been derailed.

Prom, best analogy i could come up with is like going out to big lake and landing a huge spec, then next guy in boat lands a bigger one and so one. Point is you are happy about your catch but you realize that there are other bigger fish out there just a matter of putting you line back in the water and hitting multiple spots. Recruiting is similar to this got to keep fishing. That is why i was so amazed at the 80 plus pages of post about LC, This one guy isn't going to make or break the LSU Tiger football program. Staff will keep fishing and get what we need.