re: Just had an informal meeting with an ex-st aug coach.

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That's a little more rational that many of the posts I've read, I can't disagree with that, but not to be a smart arse, define harder. I mean recruiting at a high is tough regardless imo. If you take for granted certain kids will go to your school, you will be in trouble. You always have to work. Even if the old staff was still at St Aug, there would still be a chance Fournette goes to Alabama anyway.

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Harder = more difficult. Even if it's only by a tiny increment, anything that makes it harder for LSU is not good for LSU.

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So I'm not sure how it gets "harder" for LSU to recruit St Aug in a meaningful way. So the DC talks up Alabama, do you really think he'd flip a kid that grew up an LSU fan? do you really think that influence over rides all other adults these kids come into contact with? Even if he hates LSU with every fiber in his being, he can't keep LSU from contacting kids. Its not like they can ban Frank Wilson and Les Miles from campus.

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Like I posted above, I think there will be situations where a parent/student/guardian/etc approaches the head coach for advice in recruiting. And Crutchfield's advice, assuming Bama is an option and he has perfectly proper motives, is likely to be that Bama is the best place to send your kid for football, because that is what he honestly thinks. I'm not even saying the guy is shady or in Nick's pocket or whatever, I'm just saying he (apparently) believes that Bama is a better place than LSU to send your kid for football, which is not a good thing for LSU.

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Also maybe you can answer this. What are Crutch and the DC gonna do with a prospect that LSU likes but Bama doesn't recruit? Tell him to walk on at Bama? Go to Tulane?

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I think Crutchfield is going to help the kid make the best decision for himself. But again, I believe if Bama is an option, he will likely advise that Bama is the best option. As far as Holmes, I don't know what he would do, since he has already helped a kid embarrass and mislead LSU in the past and it had nothing to do with Bama. He's a complete wild card IMO.

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At the end of the day we are talking about 1 or 2 recruits every couple of years. Fournette's do not come along every year in the state, let alone at one school. We were going to have to fight for him no matter who the coach at St Aug was. Having a "pro Bama" coach may not help LSU in getting him, but I don't think it will be the determining factor either. If he goes to Bama my guess is seeing what Ingram and Richardson accomplished will have an bigger impact that Crutchfield.

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Yes, we are going to always have to fight for the best recruits. And yes, it is unlikely that the HC will be THE deciding factor in anyone's recruitment. But any factor is still a factor, and factors that don't help LSU are not good for LSU.

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Harder = more difficult. Even if it's only by a tiny increment, anything that makes it harder for LSU is not good for LSU.
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You are just locked into zero sume thinking. Walking up 51 flights of stairs is harder than walking up 50, does it really matter? No.

Consider this: Tim Williams goes to U High, spitting distance from the LSU campus, he plays with sons of LSU coaches. He could not be in a more pro LSU area. Do you think his recruitment will be easy? Doesn't look like it. Certainly his situation favors LSU, but we will still have to fight, just like with Fournette next year.

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I believe if Bama is an option, he will likely advise that Bama is the best option

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Here again is zero sum thinking. Maybe it is the best option, but that doesn't mean LSU or any other place is not a great option. You are fixited on a list a ranking, its relatively meaningless. Bama #1, everyone else is a failure. That mentality is wrong when thinking about things like this. There are lots of factors to consider when picking a college, distances, depth chart, type of player the kid is etc.

But Even if we lose every single head to head battle with Bama in La or at St Aug both of which are extremely unlikely So what? There are still other great players out there and Alabama can only sign 25/85. We lost Devall, got Alexander. We lost Collins and got Thompson. Yeah, Collins is rated as a better prospect, so what? Dre Kirkpartick was a better prospect than Claiborne, and while DK was an all SEC player, Claiborne was better. If we lose Fournette, it will suck, but there will be another RB out there.

The buckets are filling up with piss.

Delarge..

Why didnt u post Crutch was at LSU as well the past week with Lil Crutch in a LSU jersey.. hanging out w/ TM7 and other Tigers and LF

Seen Ben Jarvis visited last week as Aug as well

You have an uncanny ability to take things out of context and put words in people's mouths. Agree to disagree.

i know.. but he didnt calm the them down.. Crutch was there as well with lil Crutch ..

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The buckets are filling up with piss.

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Don't you mean the balloons?

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Bama can still only sign 25 guys, I'm pretty sure Saban and Alabama can recruit and sign 25 top flight kids without planting coaches to steer guys from one school.

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Really? Then why do they sign more than 25 every year? Saban did the same shite at LSU. There are ways around it, and the ncaa just turns a chesk to it as long as your at the max 85 limit by start of fall or whenever you have to be at 85.

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The broader point is they can not sign everyone.

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you are absolutely right.... but you fail to realize that he will get guys to grey shirt at the last minute, once they have no spot at another school either, and they basically are backed into a corner, albeit on a very good team with a very good coach.... Nick Saban always has and always will find ways around that "hard limit" you speak of...... those greyshirts only count once you get them on scholarship.... if they are willing to pay their way the entire time, they would never count against the scholarship limit because they ain't using a sholarship.... he's been lucky that some really good players that want to play there are also from rich families.... that allows Bama to usurp the hard limit, most of the time....

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