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Is O's recruiting a little overrated?

Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:10 pm
I'm not discounting the guy at all because I love having him on staff.

I think a big reason people want to keep him as head coach is because they think we'll be a (even bigger) recruiting juggernaut.

But let's examine.
2004. O is named recruiter of the year.
2004 - Ole Miss' class is ranked 31
2005 - Ole Miss' class is ranked 30
2006 - O's first Ole Miss class. Ranked 16th.
2007 - O's second class. Ranked 19th.
2008 - O fired. Recruiting class finishes at 28. 2009 - Life goes on. Ole Miss back to #19.

Freeze has certainly done as well or better.
Pulled in the #5 class in 2016.

It's hard to tell what impact he's had on recruiting at LSU. We signed the #6 class a month after he was hired. and went to #3 this year. Although, Rashard Lawrence is probably a direct result of O's.

Does it stand to reason that LSU recruiting would probably be just fine (or better) without O at the helm?

Unfortunately, I think he's probably one of the best DL coaches in the country and I would hate to lose him there.



This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 1:23 pm
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:11 pm to
I can answer without seeing your full post...nope
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34322 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:11 pm to
No. Now, start making better threads, because this one was the equivalent of dog piss on a cat turd.
Posted by saint amant steve
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
5695 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

Freeze has certainly paid as well or better.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:34 pm to
O has been incredible in DL recruiting. He got Arden Key in his first week at LSU.
Posted by beauxroux
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2010
2144 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:35 pm to
Just curious-- what happen between 2009 and 2016?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:36 pm to
I will say this though, he recruiting well at certain positions at Ole Miss but he was incredibly disorganized in who he recruited. He had glaring holes in talent on that roster at certain positions that he seemed to just ignore.

It was an overall disaster in terms of program management.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5995 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

Just curious-- what happen between 2009 and 2016?

2010 - 2014
20, 23, 47, 8, 15
I believe Nutt resigned at the end of 2011 (indicating the lower than normal ranking)
Their baseline seems to be in the upper teens, but they've been trending upwards (post O).
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
50814 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:51 pm to
I wouldn't say overrated at all. He's known for being one of the best. Rick Neuheisel had a story that when O was going after Eddie Vanderdoes he wouldn't leave the school until he had the last word with him over Rick. He stayed in his car four hours just waiting .
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15627 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 2:34 pm to
All I know is that he seems very committed to it. He identifies who he wants and goes after him full bore.

Posted by doya2
Charenton
Member since Jan 2005
7933 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 2:41 pm to
He and Kiffin had great classes at USCW.
Posted by neovenator250
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2012
955 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 3:25 pm to
No it isn't. He's been lights out at LSU so far and he was fantastic at Miami and USC. Orgeron is the only reason we have Arden Key and he was one of the main reasons Rashard Lawrence stayed home instead of going to Ohio State. Not to mention that he gets the credit for shutting down Miami's momentum with Glen Logan.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
32441 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 3:26 pm to
Where do you tards come from?
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24554 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Freeze has certainly done as well or better.
Pulled in the #5 class in 2016.


I wonder if the death penalty or similar will be worth it.
Posted by Santa Clause
123 Fake Street
Member since Apr 2004
11450 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 4:13 pm to
Arden Key says hello.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12460 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 4:26 pm to
Freeze is fiximg to get Ole Miss hammered. He cheats to get his players.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14861 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 4:35 pm to
The guy is poised to reel in the top 2 DTs in the country in his second year at LSU.
Posted by LSUGlory16
Mville
Member since Jun 2014
1133 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 5:10 pm to
I'll answer with a question. Would you want Coach O to recruit in all of our major high schools for Bama??? He knows every HS coach in our state. I'd hate for him to walk into Karr or St Aug with a Bama shirt on.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16634 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:25 pm to
lol he was pulling in good classes while winning 3 games a year. At ole miss who was seen as the worst program in the sec at the time.

I think that says enough.
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:20 pm to
Coach O has recruited, coached and sent off 12, count em' 12, first round defensive lineman. And you ask if he's overrated?
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