re: Is LSU taking too many recruits based on camp performance

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The camp performance just is icing on the cake. There are other kids they want to see have big senior years before they offer.

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That's a great way to put it and excellent analysis.

In my opinion, after following recruiting now for 7 years, that's the way I see it too!

One thing to consider in each person's perspective is this.

Are you looking at these potential LSU recruits from the perspective of who you personally want LSU to offer and have commit or who you think the coaches will offer & who you think the coaches want to commit?

These are two completely different approaches to recruiting from the recruiting aficionado or casual follower's standpoint...

This is often the source or root cause of the arguments and debates on this board.

I like to try and think like the coach, but am often wrong like in the case of Eddie Lacy. I though that Lacy was too good for Miles & Co. let get away without an offer. I was wrong because I didn't know how the coaches felt about the specifics (other variables) well enough regarding character, work ethic, and grades.

We all knew there was a problem, but we didn't know 100% how the coaches felt until Lacy's senior year of football was over and no offer came.

I liked Lacy, but also thought he would eventually get an offer if his grades got better.
I guess I was looking at him from "who I wanted and who I though the coaches would offer". Often times, our perspective contains both view points.

Anybody listen to the reporter talking about Sam Gibson last night; She said that Sam went to the LSU camp and ran a 4.41 (40) for Les Miles and then blanketed a 5star reciever for 5 straight plays.They then moved him to QB and he threw a TD on the first play.He said Miles then took him to his office and offered him on the spot.He then left for Bama camp,but got sick(jet-lag) and couldn't perform.He then got home and thought about the good vibes he had at LSU camp and called Les up and committed. Don't know who that 5star was,but evidently good ole Sam has some coverage skills against pretty good competition,that his film as a qb don't show.

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How many workout warriors look great at the combine and are huge busts in the NFL?

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The list is endless.

I don't think anyone is saying they don't like offers at camp. I think people, myself included, were talking about the 2 guys who were offered STRICTLY from camp and 0 film.

Most kids are seen on film by the staff, an invite to a camp is offered. Camps are were measurements are taken, the 285# lineman becomes the 250#'er. 6'3" players are the 6'0" ers.

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they should base it on rant evaluations.

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i agree with this. we spend way too much money on coaches anyway. if we used rant evaluations and rant based ideas on player personnel and actual plays, we could lay off some of these hi-priced coaches and improve our team at the same time.

Yes, imo. The camps should be only a part of comprehensive and thorough evaluation, not the end all.

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"Put it on tape". Meaning stop yapping and prove it on the field. How about, "The eye in the sky doesn't lie"? Would you agree that the combine is essentially a camp? How many workout warriors look great at the combine and are huge busts in the NFL?

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While I agree with this, I'm not sure it's quite the same because more high school players have the ability to emerge from obscurity ..many haven't even played organized football for much of their lives or have not been used correctly or haven't been in a market or classification to get noticed

I agree the formula should be a combination of performance in your high school career and camp performance... it is possible for a kid to perform better in a camp format and on a short-term occassion. The good thing about their HS career is you can see the body of work and consistancy

But, combines and camps have a great meaning because the coaches are able to control the format... they dictate what they want you to show them, which is obviously seen as a great measurement to know what you are getting when you can put forward a series of tests to get a result in a recruit's performance and see skills that you wish to see

Les is obviously a "show me at my camp" guy and doesn't hand out many schollies to kids who don't show up in BR to put their skills in action first hand