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Is Jardin Gilbert better than Sage Ryan?
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:16 pm
I mean a real upgrade? I havent seen Jardin Gilbert play and usually highlight reels are somewhat misleading.
Anyone who has seen him play.
Anyone who has seen him play.
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Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:25 pm to arienallien
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I mean a real upgrade? I havent seen Jardin Gilbert play and usually highlight reels are somewhat misleading. Anyone who has seen him play.
As a Safety with ball skills? Yes. But Ryan has really spent most of his career here playing Nickel and now outside CB.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:52 pm to arienallien
Have you seen Ryan play? Do you think he’s been better at Safety, Nickel, or Boundary Corner?
Posted on 12/19/23 at 10:55 pm to arienallien
I think they’ll both play a good bit next year . Hopefully Gilbert is better though
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:07 pm to arienallien
considering Ryan’s play level varying from what I’d describe to be between bad and below average, lord I hope so.
Posted on 12/19/23 at 11:35 pm to tibebecolston
Sage has been playing out of position due to arse DB depth. He became one of the only corners you could count on to play every game this year, and he shouldn’t be playing corner.
He’s not as bad as people try to make him seem. Duce and Denver should be the ones the fan base bashes, not Sage who puts his uniform on every game
He’s not as bad as people try to make him seem. Duce and Denver should be the ones the fan base bashes, not Sage who puts his uniform on every game
This post was edited on 12/19/23 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 12/20/23 at 12:56 am to SulphursFinest
The boy can’t tackle. If he works on that part of his game then he’d be a decent DB. He has all the skills but go watch him try to tackle anyone. He constantly puts his head down when he misses tackles or a play is made on him. He’s just not mentally tough and he can’t tackle a flea. Plays scared when I watch him. He can improve that part of his game but until I see it, I’ll continue to say he’s weak. I’ll give him some credit when he earns it. I can put on a darn jersey and run out there, anyone can do that. He needs to work on his aggression when tackling and stop bitching and moaning when things don’t go his way.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 4:33 am to BayouBengal99
When did he bitch and moan, and who on the team can tackle lmao
Posted on 12/20/23 at 4:33 am to SulphursFinest
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Duce and Denver should be the ones the fan base bashes, not Sage who puts his uniform on every game
Quit the soft arse shite. Players deserve criticism and praise. Sage and major burns were huge liabilities
Posted on 12/20/23 at 4:34 am to r0cky1
Homie everyone on the field was a huge liability. Stop it
Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:20 am to SulphursFinest
Hes been pretty bad no matter which position its been at. The tackling is team wide but he sucks just as bad as anyone else and he can't cover. He's just not natural at it. Maybe he should've tried offense like was suggested in hs. Hopefully he turns it around since the staff talked him off the ledge. They've been spending more time convincing average players hyped as stars to return than recruiting here lately. I suppose theres a method to that madness, hopefully beginning with House being shown the door.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:56 am to SulphursFinest
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He’s playing out of posistion
I think he’s too small to play safety in the SEC and should embrace the cb role.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 5:59 am to SulphursFinest
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He’s not as bad as people try to make him seem.
This place is full of people who only pay attention to highlight material and what other people say on here. If I guy covers well but makes a few mistakes, those look glaring. And Sage's tackling has been terrible. he still doesn't wrap up well on the initial hit and takes angles assuming he has superior speed, bad habit he developed when he could knock guys over in HS. Coaches need to work with him to correct that.
Sage is the second-highest-rated DB this season and the highest-rated CB. Same with coverage. Only Andre Sam as a Safety was better in both. His tackling was atrocious though.
Secondary grades.
CB – Zy Alexander
Snaps (418)
Total PFF Grade (62.3) | Run Defense (77.7) | Tackling (79.7) | Coverage (58.3)
CB – Sage Ryan
Snaps (620)
Total PFF Grade (70.6) | Run Defense (58.5) | Tackling (44.6) | Coverage (74.0)
CB – Denver Harris
Snaps (217)
Total PFF Grade (60.1) | Run Defense (64.1) | Tackling (30.1) | Coverage (59.0)
CB – Jeremiah Hughes
Snaps (39)
Total PFF Grade (62.4) | Run Defense (67.8) | Tackling (77.9) | Coverage (59.0)
CB – Javien Toviano
Snaps (244)
Total PFF Grade (54.2) | Run Defense (61.3) | Tackling (79.2) | Coverage (53.6)
CB – Ashton Stamps
Snaps (214)
Total PFF Grade (66.9) | Run Defense (61.7) | Tackling (57.5) | Coverage (66.9)
CB – Duce Chestnut
Snaps (81)
Total PFF Grade (57.6) | Run Defense (58.2) | Tackling (51.4) | Coverage (57.5)
S – Andre' Sam
Snaps (692)
Total PFF Grade (73.6) | Run Defense (67.4) | Tackling (64.5) | Coverage (75.8)
S – Major Burns
Snaps (771)
Total PFF Grade (60.6) | Run Defense (70.5) | Tackling (75.8) | Coverage (52.4)
S – Ryan Yaites
Snaps (124)
Total PFF Grade (63.5) | Run Defense (65.4) | Tackling (59.8) | Coverage (61.2)
S – Kylin Jackson
Snaps (12)
Total PFF Grade (59.6) | Run Defense (57.9) | Tackling (74.8) | Coverage (61.6)
S – Jordan Allen
Snaps (78)
Total PFF Grade (64.9) | Run Defense (57.8) | Tackling (47.6) | Coverage (66.8)
Posted on 12/20/23 at 6:27 am to SulphursFinest
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Homie everyone on the field was a huge liability. Stop it
Right so I guess we shouldn’t criticize anyone then? This is stupid. Just glorify anyone and anything huh.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:17 am to r0cky1
He was by far our best cover guy yet he seems to get the most hate. I think it's because he came in as a 5 star and had the expectations. The terrible tackling dosent help.
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:21 am to tigerfan8182
I think the conv in this thread took the wrong turn... by bashing Ryan.
My intent was to find how good Gilbert is ?
As per 24x7 portal ranking Gilbert is ranked way below Ryan.
My intent was to find how good Gilbert is ?
As per 24x7 portal ranking Gilbert is ranked way below Ryan.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:31 pm to SulphursFinest
Every single time he misses a tackle or has a big pass caught on him. He shrugs his shoulders, shakes his head, puts his head down, throws his arms up etc. He does this all the time. You don’t see even decent corners giving off that type of negative body language. Offenses see that stuff and exploit it. He needs to get tougher man, period. This guy has been in our program for multiple years so I absolutely judge him much more harshly than I do the freshman. Even the freshman don’t complain every time they mess something up. He should be a leader on this defense and he’s not. He’s got all kinds of natural ability, so go to work Sage Ryan. Call some old LSU DBs and work with those guys. Toughen the hell up and tackle with some fight in you.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:34 pm to mdomingue
That's a long post.
Here's a short post.
You're right.
Here's a short post.
You're right.
Posted on 12/22/23 at 1:42 pm to smash williams
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Have you seen Ryan play? Do you think he’s been better at Safety, Nickel, or Boundary Corner?
I dont think we've ever seen Ryan play safety. He's been shoehorned into playing other positions because those people suck.
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