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re: IMG Academy could 'destroy our profession,'

Posted on 2/28/16 at 8:13 am to
Posted by MTB
Houston
Member since Aug 2007
1431 posts
Posted on 2/28/16 at 8:13 am to
Texas public school coaches all have insufferable egos. They make 100,000+ (often times only a few dollars short of the head administrator), they teach zero classes, have a coaching staff all the way down to the middle school ranks that could number over 40 assistants, play in stadiums that most small colleges would kill for and have anywhere from 3k-5k student bodys to pull from. They literally blackball private schools within the state at every possible angle. There is not another state in this country that pampers head football coaches as much as Texas and all they do is complain about how unfair they have it.
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
3419 posts
Posted on 2/28/16 at 9:35 am to
I'll be honest. The $100,000 number is always brought up by someone as a point of consternation, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. The schools and alumni expect big things from their football programs and are willing to pay for it.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53386 posts
Posted on 2/28/16 at 9:42 am to
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They literally blackball private schools within the state at every possible angle.
imagine if LA had done that from the get go
Posted by AtlantaLSUfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
26491 posts
Posted on 2/28/16 at 10:25 am to
Basketball has been doing it for years. Oak Hill Academy, Mater Dai in CA, etc.
Posted by Carville
Sunshine, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5321 posts
Posted on 2/28/16 at 5:56 pm to
Mater Dei in CA is a regular HS that is best known for producing football players. Nothing like Oak Hill, a Prep School known for Basketball.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20328 posts
Posted on 2/28/16 at 6:13 pm to
What is Jacobs sports academy? Saw several at a track meet yesterday.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
87617 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 10:47 am to
I don't think IMG is necessarily a good thing but it's effect on high school football coaches isn't a reason why it's bad.
Posted by NoShow
Member since Feb 2013
2339 posts
Posted on 3/1/16 at 6:19 am to
If all high schools quit scheduling IMG, would it still try to get football players--knowing they will have no games to compete in?
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 11:30 pm to
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Texas public school coaches all have insufferable egos. They make 100,000+ (often times only a few dollars short of the head administrator


Wrong.

Almost no head coaches in the state make $100K on head coach salary alone. They almost always have to be an AD or assistant AD and that is still a small number.

Allen High School, I'm sure you've heard of it, their coach just left and he was barely making north of $100K. $109K to be exact, to be head coach and Assistant AD and that was the perennial powerhouse in the state and country for the last decade.

He left to go somewhere where he'll make around $130K to be the head coach AND AD.

Maybe next time you post, know wtf you're talking about.


Posted by L5UT1ger
Member since Feb 2004
2907 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 8:08 am to
IMG:Travel Ball as High School Football:REC Ball

Eventually, we can just get IMG type schools for junior high, then grade school. Finally, we can be like the Russians and East Germans in the 80's and Chinese now where they ear mark a kid super early on and have them train to be that specialty for their entire life.
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20328 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 8:38 am to
I really don't get why people hate so much on this place. It's what this country NEEDS.

Specialized high schools, whether for STEM, votech, military (would include free college) or athletic academies. Put the kids where they will thrive.
Posted by beachtiger777
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
666 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 9:14 am to
They do its called john Curtis....
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 9:59 am to
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As a coach in Texas, you get kids from within your community, coach and develop them for 6 years (from the 7th grade) in many cases, and build your team from the ground up. Its a community game, not an all star/traveling squad you put together. Through coaching and community support, not by raiding the rosters from around the country.


So what percentage of these players from your community are leaving for schools like IMG?

1%?

Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:08 am to
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Specialized high schools, whether for STEM, votech, military (would include free college) or athletic academies. Put the kids where they will thrive.





We really do need to wake up as a country and stop trying to fit everyone into the standard school curriculum to standard college curriculum model. Identify the strengths and weaknesses throughout their lives and gear their education plan towards it. Really good at fixing things but really suck at English? You can go to a high school or take curriculum that has an emphasis on shop class, mechanics, etc. while also briefly covering all other subjects.

Etc.

Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
10083 posts
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:34 pm to
Juilliard hasn't stopped young people from studying music, drama, or dance throughout the country.
Posted by CourseyCorridor
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since May 2012
1996 posts
Posted on 3/5/16 at 3:18 pm to
My thought is this: If IMG begins a trend, then the coach is right. And that's possible because we've seen travel ball make traditional summer league baseball obsolete, haven't we? Same thing can happen here.

It doesn't take much imagination to see how

If the "elite" players all start gravitating to "select" teams in the form of sports academies (let's see every state has a few IMG type schools) then high school ball becomes a second-tier level of play. So, in essence, it becomes to all sports what American Legion and other old-school summer baseball leagues became to baseball.

Select ball has sort of killed Legion and Little League and all those old leagues. Now, one can say that Legion still exists, and it does. BUT, in reference to what the coach was saying, part of the reason why schools have so many coaches that are paid so well is there is fan interest. And if high school teams no longer have the best players, fan interest would likely be reduced to friends and family, thus not justifying the big coaching staffs/salaries.

So it COULD fundamentally change things in that regard. Having said that, we're a LONG way from that happening right now.
This post was edited on 3/5/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted by RightHook
Member since Dec 2013
5560 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 11:42 am to
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Unless he means something else by his profession


i dont get these high school coaches who try to act like being a high school football coach is in and of itself a profession.

granted, at some texas high schools it is, they get booster pay on top of state salary.

as far as paying people to coach high school football, it should really just be voluntary.

if a guy wants to get paid to coach, he can stop posing as a teacher (which they get paid for) and move up a level where guys are just getting paid to coach, though i think college teams that need state money to operate shouldn't exist either.

that high school coach and his "profession", what a joke.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53386 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:25 pm to
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And if high school teams no longer have the best players, fan interest would likely be reduced to friends and family, thus not justifying the big coaching staffs/salaries.



meh high school sports will still be town vs. town and that aspect will NEVER change.

you might have a kid leave every now and then but he has to do well in HS to even be invited... and most schools still won't ever have a kid of that caliber.

we still have Legion ball, and the best schools in NOLA play it, and i won't speak for anywhere else

IMG Academy in FL might be feasible and viable, but more than maybe one or two competitors will not be. it costs money, and you have to make it back somehow.
Posted by CourseyCorridor
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since May 2012
1996 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 1:14 pm to
I don't disagree with you, but if in 1987, you told me that summer league baseball would, by and large, be replaced by travel ball, I'd have made the same argument you just made. No way that many people will pay that much money so their kids can travel around and play baseball.

Except they have.

It doesn't seem viable now but if more of these start popping up and become "the thing to do," then we know from the baseball experience that parents are willing to pay way too much money so their kids can have these things.

I don't necessarily see a day where everybody is sending their kids to a boarding school in Florida, but I could see a sports academy drawing the best athletes in BR, one or two around New Orleans (yeah, I know, John Curtis is ALREADY one...), etc. That will help keep costs down and make it more viable.

I think something like the LHSAA split could help spur that on in Louisiana. It would be tougher in Texas, but in Louisiana, I can definitely see a day where an "elite" sports league develops with a handful of academies. Not that I'm predicting it, but I could see it happen here. Unlike Texas, the general perception is that the better competition is in the private division (especially as you go down in class), so the habit of searching for a sports factory already exists.

I the private schools split completely, I could see a culture here where these places could emerge.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53386 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:02 pm to
You think John Curtis is one, but they compete against normal high schools, and normal high schools compete against it...

No matter what forms, every school that exists currently will still find 30-40 kids for football, and 8-10 for hoops. Fans will still come out. I won't speak for the lower classes, but 5a state championships will remain meaningful.

Those baseball teams you mention get propped up by middle class parents who think any kid can be a baseball star with enough training. Football and hoops don't work like that.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 3:09 pm
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