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re: I think this will be a fad more than a consistent thing.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:25 pm to Forever
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:25 pm to Forever
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They’re flat out not getting the same education at a HBCU as they would at a D1 university. It is what it is. I get that some of these kids couldn’t care less about school but “giving back to the community” and giving up the chance to play at Vanderbilt or Stanford in favor of Southern is astoundingly stupid
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:27 pm to TexasTiger_08
Why is it stupid, maybe a kid just feels more comfortable at Southern, after all it is their decision.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:30 pm to TexasTiger_08
Do you think the #2 overall prospect couldn’t go to a great academic school if he chose to? Obviously Stanford and Southern are just examples, but the kid who committed to Sanders’ school passed up a great education to do so
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:31 pm to saintslsupels
quote:has nothing to do with an HBCU.
But all the idiots come out when it's an HBCU that gets top recruits.
It has to do with it being an FCS school.
Smaller, and far less relevant nationally.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:33 pm to atltiger6487
2 years and make your money then transfer into a potential national championship team and then draft. That’s what I think the path will be
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:33 pm to Zzyzx
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It’s not going to be a trend. It’s not even a fad. It’s one kid. One kid isn’t a fad or a trend. It’s just one person who made a stupid decision.
And NFL scouts have a harder time evaluating D2 talent because they play terrible competition. It’s just stupid on every level.
This will never be “a thing” because there aren’t enough stupid people to go around doing this kind of stupid thing. Even these (often) unintelligent football players are smart enough to realize if they go to the best school possible, playing the best talent, they have a better chance to go pro.
I’d be willing to bet that this kid WILL NOT be a 1st round pick. I know that wasn’t guaranteed at FSU (it’s a pretty crap school in a crap conference anyway) but his chances at going 1st round were incalculably higher playing D1 football. This dumb decision probably knocked it down to like a less than 1% chance
Between 1955 when Grambling had its first NFL draft pick to 1970, which is about when the SEC desegregated, Grambling had 50 NFL picks. LSU over that same period had 52. They were about even. 4 Grambling players from that era became NFL HOF, Willie Davis, Willie Brown, Buck Buchanan and Charlie Joiner. 2 for LSU, Jimmy Taylor and Johnny Robinson.
I watched all of them on TV as a kid in early 1970's save Willie Davis and Jimmy Taylor who were retired by then.
Did the NFL have trouble evaluating HBCU players at Grambling in the 1950's and 60's? Doesn't appear that way to me.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:36 pm to YMCA
These guys will change that. Long game buddy. And their trying to get to the nfl. Doesn’t matter what university they attend. There was a time in the sixties and early seventies when grambling was sending more players to the league than everyone except notre dame. And those grambling teams would have stomped LSU and many, many others by several touchdowns.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:53 pm to Beats2Geaux
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Exactly! These idiots continue to show their true ugly colors.
Lol, why don’t you tell me what true ugly color that is since I’m showing it.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:01 pm to Beats2Geaux
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Another idiotic thread….just say you hate that top talent is going to HBCUs.
Maybe you’re right. With that said, my dad coached with/is friends with Lee Fobbs and I’m friends with Broderick and Jamaal(Jamaal and I played ball together)and during Brodericks time at GSU we attended at least 3 home games and 1 road game each season. We also went to 2 Bayou Classics while Broderick was the coach and 1 while Doug Williams was the HC.
Before Broderick got the HC job we would only attend homecoming games bc mom got her nursing degree from there and liked going back
Of course I love it when the competition on the field sucks, so I definitely wouldn’t want to see any talented players on the field. That’s probably why I didn’t enjoy the games in 2016 after the QB Kincade transferred to GSU from Ole Miss.
Anyway, my support along with my family all these years probably means you’re right and I thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:15 pm to PrimetimeDaBoss
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Y’all just mad HBCUs finally getting a piece of the pie
I'm mad at any school that isn't LSU getting good players. Irrational? Sure. Bigoted? Nope.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:17 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Sure. Sure. Sure.quote:has nothing to do with an HBCU.
But all the idiots come out when it's an HBCU that gets top recruits.
It has to do with it being an FCS school.
Smaller, and far less relevant nationally.
That's why "FCS" did not appear in this thread until you just posted it.
That's why "HBCU" appears all over this thread and the other threads.
You trying to convince us or yourself?!?!
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:27 pm to YMCA
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For one thing, if these guys do start going to HBCUs they won’t have the opportunity to play in the CFB playoffs or for a major CFB National Championship.
If they're in the SWAC, do they even get a shot at the FCS playoffs?
At one time, the SWAC was forfeiting it's spot because it refused to move the Bayou Classic to a date that didn't coincide with the opening of the playoffs. Not sure how it is now.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 2:40 pm to Godfather1
That really only applied to Southern and Grambling. There were times other SWAC schools went to I-AA playoffs IF they qualified. The problem is the SWAC championship game which happens after the playoffs start. What many are sleeping on is outside of a likely first round exit, those playoffs are a losing proposition for black schools because they make more many with classics in front of 60,000 than traveling to North Dakota to play in front of 2500 people.
FAMU went to playoffs this year. Lost to SELA. THAT is the measuring stick. When I was at Southern we did not lose to Northwestern or McNeese. When black kids started bypassing us to go to UL, NSU, etc., that shifted the landscape. The competition is not LSU despite what happened with the recruit choosing JSU. The competition by and large is getting those middle tier athletes to come back.
FAMU went to playoffs this year. Lost to SELA. THAT is the measuring stick. When I was at Southern we did not lose to Northwestern or McNeese. When black kids started bypassing us to go to UL, NSU, etc., that shifted the landscape. The competition is not LSU despite what happened with the recruit choosing JSU. The competition by and large is getting those middle tier athletes to come back.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 6:18 pm to asig99
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That really only applied to Southern and Grambling. There were times other SWAC schools went to I-AA playoffs IF they qualified. The problem is the SWAC championship game which happens after the playoffs start. What many are sleeping on is outside of a likely first round exit, those playoffs are a losing proposition for black schools because they make more many with classics in front of 60,000 than traveling to North Dakota to play in front of 2500 people.
FAMU went to playoffs this year. Lost to SELA. THAT is the measuring stick. When I was at Southern we did not lose to Northwestern or McNeese. When black kids started bypassing us to go to UL, NSU, etc., that shifted the landscape. The competition is not LSU despite what happened with the recruit choosing JSU. The competition by and large is getting those middle tier athletes to come back.
That is a good post. I remember the 1970's, the USC's, OU's, Ohio State's, Michigan State's, UCLA's, etc, had long been recruiting top Black football recruits well before the SEC desegregated around 1970. So started getting more and more of those guys that were going to those other big-time programs.
But when LA. Tech, ULL, Southeastern, McNeese started getting lots of those recruits that Grambling and Southern use to get, that really did hurt those schools.
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