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re: Henry To’oto’o transfers to Bama
Posted on 5/9/21 at 1:10 pm to ipodking
Posted on 5/9/21 at 1:10 pm to ipodking
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No, what it comes down to is Bama knows the rules better than everyone else.
They manipulate the rules far more than anyone because they know they won’t be investigated regardless of what they do. Anyone else pulling the shite they pull would at least be looked into thus giving the possibility of finding some improprieties. All teams are paying players, giving extra benefits, etc., but Bama knows they have a much longer rope than any other team. Far less chance of them hanging themselves than it is for other teams.
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 1:19 pm to J2thaROC
Could you imagine if O started cutting players and forcing them to sign those withdrawal statements? Or forcing them to pay their own way after offering them a scholarship?
Kubena and Glenn Guilbeau would have hit pieces up within the hour about how terrible of a person he is.
It truly is something that only Saban can get away with.
Kubena and Glenn Guilbeau would have hit pieces up within the hour about how terrible of a person he is.
It truly is something that only Saban can get away with.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 4:53 pm to PP7 for heisman
quote:LSU is very aware of the process and loopholes. And is very UNWILLING to cross that line of using it to "process" players. It's not only the principle of the thing (yes, that's part of it) but it is also the selfish (and that's ok) & practical likely outcome of the backlash and effect on recruiting. If Chase had "retired", using the same reason as the opt-out: asthma, instead of "opting out" we could have claimed the medical remediation in 2020 academic year and gotten an extra spot for the 2021 class. However, retiring for medical would have hurt his draft stock instead of opting out for Covid which had no stigma attached by NFL teams.
Could you imagine if O started cutting players and forcing them to sign those withdrawal statements?
quote:Now there's the trick of it. If they "retire" a booster can pay them off, pay tuition, or pay anything they want for them and there's nothing the NCAA can do about it. So for a player who's going to "retire" they can stay in school and not pay a dime if you are coordinating (in the shadows) with your boosters or booster foundation (REC, TAF, etc.). You don't have to leave them hanging as far as that goes.
Or forcing them to pay their own way after offering them a scholarship?
Posted on 5/9/21 at 6:16 pm to I20goon
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Now there's the trick of it. If they "retire" a booster can pay them off, pay tuition, or pay anything they want for them and there's nothing the NCAA can do about it. So for a player who's going to "retire" they can stay in school and not pay a dime if you are coordinating (in the shadows) with your boosters or booster foundation (REC, TAF, etc.). You don't have to leave them hanging as far as that goes.
Are you sure about that? I know the SCHOOL can pay their tuition, but a booster cannot legally pay a players tuition.
It's as simple as this. Saban runs whatever town he is in. He is the most important employee in the state, and they will cater to everything he wants.
We have journalists who are actively trying to damage the reputation of coaches, literal moments after they're hired (Mulkey stuff) and others who hate the university they cover (Guilbeau).
AL.com is not writing about nick saban fricking players over to get an advantage. I found a WSJ article from 11 years ago talking about it. WSJ
If that happened today and it was public knowledge, I think the only coach in America who could get away with it from a reputation standpoint is Saban and MAYBE Dabo. It just is what it is. If O goes on to win a few titles, then maybe he can do it without fear of backlash. But with everything surrounding the program and the university, you just can't do that now. O pitches these families about being a father figure, where Saban pitches them about being a business. I'm not saying what O does is wrong, because he's won a title, but there's more to it than "just use the loophole".
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:29 pm to LanTheBuilder
Man frick Bama, let them do what they have to do, this is a Lsu board, LOL.. I mean c'mon
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:29 pm to LSU Patrick
Bingo, we have a winner!
IF LSU does the exact same thing, LSU will be investigated and probably put on probation.
One of these days, folks are going to realize that Bama is not subject to the same rules as the rest of the SEC.
IF LSU does the exact same thing, LSU will be investigated and probably put on probation.
One of these days, folks are going to realize that Bama is not subject to the same rules as the rest of the SEC.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:58 am to QB
That nonsense about an extra spot on the 25 limit is pure fantasy. That loophole does not exist. No matter what Chase did we don't get an extra spot. You are buying the Bama crap hook line and sinker. They are not playing by the rules. Their compliance department is of course complicit in their continued rules violations.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:09 am to PP7 for heisman
quote:If they "retire", presumably for medical reasons, they are no longer a player, just a regular old student. And a booster, or anyone else for that matter, can give non-athletes whatever they choose. It's an unregulated private matter no different than a private scholarship from some foundation.
Are you sure about that? I know the SCHOOL can pay their tuition, but a booster cannot legally pay a players tuition.
So if you're going to "encourage" a player to medically retire, so you can get your 25 spot back, to prevent him from blowing the whole deal up in the press you arrange for a booster to make him right.
Y'all wanted to know how the Gumps were going over 25 year over year... well, this is it.
Look at it from the players perspective:
A) you're not a starter, so your value to Saban is at practice (and there's quite a bit of value in that)
B) you're not going to the NFL
C) you're dealing with nagging and maybe even minor injuries preventing you from practicing (your only value)
D) since you bring little or no value you are going to lose your yearly-renewable scholarship.
E) since you aren't going to the NFL you actually are trying to graduate.
So you get an offer to retire, instead of not having your scholarship renewed, with a booster offering to pay your way (plus lagniappe) if you retire so you can stay in school. You come out with no change, if not improvement, financially and the booster helped his precious Saban replace you with a 5* transfer with the 28th player in the class.
And to boot, since you are +18 yrs old you can enter into contracts. So that money from a booster comes with strings in the form of a forgivable loan if certain conditions are met or a NDA with punitive $ if those conditions aren't met. One of those conditions is can not discuss your "retirement", who "encouraged it", or any monies received publicly.
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IF you could track every medical retiree, which you can't because players come and go for various reasons year over year, but if you could you'd find that there is a medical retiree correlation to every spot over the 25. This is because there has been no backcounting; to do that you have to some number below the 25 at some point (and an EE to fill that spot later).
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:14 am to Tigger98
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:23 am to I20goon
According to an article I read, the athletic director makes the decision to pay for the schoalrship or not, so I'd imagine there's some form of NCAA compliance with that.
Also, a lot of these guys that "medically retire" are forced to, and then go plays somewhere else. See Nigel knott, the player linked in your second article. If he takes a penny from a booster, he is no longer eligible to play college football.
I see what you're saying, but it's much more complicated than simply
Also, a lot of these guys that "medically retire" are forced to, and then go plays somewhere else. See Nigel knott, the player linked in your second article. If he takes a penny from a booster, he is no longer eligible to play college football.
I see what you're saying, but it's much more complicated than simply
quote:this
) you're not a starter, so your value to Saban is at practice (and there's quite a bit of value in that)
B) you're not going to the NFL
C) you're dealing with nagging and maybe even minor injuries preventing you from practicing (your only value)
D) since you bring little or no value you are going to lose your yearly-renewable scholarship.
E) since you aren't going to the NFL you actually are trying to graduate.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:35 pm to BayouBoogie
Correct, it did say he was hurt during the year. I should have said he did play but I read he never caught a pass at Bama... I'm kind of connecting the dots on his injury and the possibility of them using this injury to free up his scholarship which i don't think is far fetched at all considering how Saban is oversigning...
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:31 pm to LanTheBuilder
This transfer bullshite is going to ruin CFB. Any team other than Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma, and a few others are now just farm league organizations for the big dogs. Kind of good for the tigers (even though Bama will dominate almost every year still) but bad for CFB
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