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Posted on 10/4/23 at 6:47 am to 304tiger
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CEO tenure: 2016 - 27 commits | #3 class 2017 - 24 commits | #7 class 2018 - 22 commits | #15 class (not a good one) 2019 - 25 commits | #5 class 2020 - 22 commits | #4 class 2021 - 24 commits | #4 class
Don’t know where you are getting these numbers from, but looking back, these are more along the numbers.
2016-2
2017-7
2018-13
2019-15
2020-5
2021-5
2022-8
Those numbers make O’s classes closer to a #8 class overall. Those numbers look closer to what we put on the field. The transfer of Joey B changed everything. Joey B elevated everyone’s game.
Kelly in his first class,
2023-7
Which is better than O’s average.
Unless signing day was yesterday, this class hasn’t signed as of yet.
O left this roster in the worst shape I’ve ever seen, his management, if you want to call it that, left holes throughout the roster.
Right now what Kelly has brought in evaluated and developed, has been very good. He’s got a QB, that 99% of the colleges would take in a heartbeat. Brought in two True Freshmen anchoring the tackle positions. A third is in the developmental stage. A three star TE, that did more than any TE rated above him. I could go on, but to take what he walked into and win right away, who did better?
Every LSU Coach has walked into a roster way better, light years better than what Kelly inherited.
O is where he should be.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 10:02 am to LSUDad
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Don’t know where you are getting these numbers from
247 Sports
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The transfer of Joey B changed everything. Joey B elevated everyone’s game.
No doubt about it, but there was also a lot of talent around him as well.
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Brought in two True Freshmen anchoring the tackle positions
They were committed before CBK was hired. He can take credit for their development.
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Unless signing day was yesterday, this class hasn’t signed as of yet
Unless something big changes before signing day, this class is in trouble… no DTs last year and possibly two 3 stars this year.
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/4/23 at 1:17 pm to 304tiger
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Unless something big changes before signing day, this class is in trouble… no DTs last year and possibly two 3 stars this year.
This will change. Already sent an offer to LA native Shone Washington (former UGA commit - JUCO) and will likely be sending one to Walter Bob (former bama commit - JUCO)
There’s a host of other JUCO guys with multiple SEC offers they’ll target, and they’ll hit the portal for more as wells
This post was edited on 10/4/23 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 10/4/23 at 2:09 pm to Not Cooper
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This will change. Already sent an offer to LA native Shone Washington (former UGA commit - JUCO) and will likely be sending one to Walter Bob (former bama commit - JUCO) There’s a host of other JUCO guys with multiple SEC offers they’ll target, and they’ll hit the portal for more as wells
Don’t tell anyone, they have no idea.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 2:29 pm to chRxis
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f that's the case, then we are absolutely fricked b/c our strategy is terrible, we aren't developing anyone, we don't look prepared to face good teams, and there have been multiple times where you have to question his ability to actually coach
This is way overdramatic. The team won the fricking west last year based on how well BK was able to develop a bunch of freshman and transfers. This season has started almost identical to last season, lets see how the rest of it goes before finding a cliff to jump off of.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 2:31 pm to Not Cooper
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This will change. Already sent an offer to LA native Shone Washington (former UGA commit - JUCO) and will likely be sending one to Walter Bob (former bama commit - JUCO)
There’s a host of other JUCO guys with multiple SEC offers they’ll target, and they’ll hit the portal for more as wells
Ive said it before but if you're going to rely on the portal for a particular position, DT is what you would want it to be.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 2:37 pm to 0
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Ive said it before but if you're going to rely on the portal for a particular position, DT is what you would want it to be.
Bingo, this is known. Kelly wants to develop kids from high school, having multiple years in his system.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 5:52 pm to 304tiger
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Don’t know where you are getting these numbers from 247
So you agree, all services have their own rating system, no two alike?
Looking at your ratings, I see the ones I have to be a little more accurate.
But then again, I’ve been asked to scout players in high school and college over the years. I’ve been a little more on par than most. Maybe just luck I guess.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:40 am to 304tiger
How many of CEO's recruits did not pan out and are no longer playing at the same level of competition?
Posted on 10/5/23 at 6:56 am to Chalkywhite84
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He will settle more than most coaches. Doesn't have that killer instinct needed to be an elite recruiters. He relies on his staff.
Have to upgrade the staff. That much is clear
I think he said right after being hired that his philosophy when it comes to recruiting is to let the staff handle all the early work and visits, then he, as HC, goes in for the close last.
IDK if this is an oversimplification of his tactic, but I have to wonder if it's working or if he needs to change the calculus. There are some serious recruiting heavyweights in this conference and to remain on top, you can't be laid back about it at all.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 8:55 am to LSUDad
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Right now what Kelly has brought in evaluated[/quote]
[quote] Brought in two True Freshmen anchoring the tackle positions.
LSU offered Will Campbell in 2019
LSU offered Emory Jones in 2020
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A three star TE, that did more than any TE rated above him
LSU offered in June 2021
Orgeron's staff were recruiting these guys before Kelly was in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:01 am to 304tiger
CEO always recruited well, he just moved on to recruiting the blondes...
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:13 am to Cuz413
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Orgeron's staff were recruiting these guys before Kelly was in Baton Rouge.
But a new coach has to sell them right?
But then again, O had kids bail on LSU on signing day.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:23 am to mpwilging
O had plenty of faults, but he recruited the DL as well as anyone and couldn't recruit OL to save his life. Seems like it's the inverse for Kelly. Dom Mckinley and Gabe Reliford would likely not make it to a&m under O. Inexcusable to lose the state's two best DL to a team in our own division.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:47 am to LSUDad
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O had kids bail on LSU on signing day
And Saban, Kelly, Miles, etc never have?
It happens every year if you're chasing top recruits. Especially out of state recruits.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:06 am to GeauxLSU4
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but he recruited the DL as well as anyone
I don't know about that. Looking at our 2019 through 2021 classes, which should have been the backbone of the interior d line when Kelly took over, he got:
2019: ika, Williams, Evans. Ika was the only non 3* and none of them really worked out.
2020: Roy and guillory. Both have worked out pretty well.
2021: Smith. Who had flashed but been injured.
Considering pretty much all 2019 guys flamed our and Smith got hurt, he just didn't get enough depth at that position over the last 3 years, which is a big reason why we are where we are with that position group as of today.
Problem now is we are missing depth and soon to be missing talent for that group which is going to be very concerning if we don't get it fixed this cycle.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:20 am to Tiger Tracker
He wasn't perfect by any means, but landing guys like Arden Key, Klavon Chiasson, Neil Ferrell, Apu Ika from out of state plus in state guys like Roy, Guillory, Rashard Lawrence, Maason Smith, Tyler Shelvin were all big recruiting wins despite some not developing as we'd hoped. This staff has had difficulty landing depth and quality, particularly along the interior. Hopefully guys like Wiggins, Howard, and Womack develop properly on the edge but interior DL is worrisome with Reliford and McKinley not coming here.
Posted on 10/5/23 at 11:24 am to GeauxLSU4
Yeah he was good when he cared. Problem is he just stopped caring after 2019.
I'm not really worried about DE. Interior d line is very concerning. Gotta get a coach and then try to make up for losses through the portal. Jenkins being hired will help the current guys but isn't helping our recruiting at all
I'm not really worried about DE. Interior d line is very concerning. Gotta get a coach and then try to make up for losses through the portal. Jenkins being hired will help the current guys but isn't helping our recruiting at all
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