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For everyone worrying, recruiting isn’t the same…
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:26 am
Recruiting isn’t how it once was. You’ll be hard pressed to find kids committed to schools early because of the fluidity of the NIL situations. Until this thing gets regulated out, they are going to camp out for the best offer. On the reverse side, schools also are going to be fluid on giving money based on who committed/de committed on signing day (Texas A&M and Matthews for example). I just don’t think you are going to see a large number of commitments going in to signing day like the past. At least until there is further regulation on the NIL.
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:37 am to talmaniandevil_25
High school kids (not the very top rated ones who require the biggest bids) are being told to commit before the end of summer because of transfer portal so we’ll see a bunch of those in July.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:44 am to talmaniandevil_25
Exactly.
Many on here are freaking out because LSU only has 5 commits at the moment.
Well...
A&M only has 5 commits as well.
Alabama has 4
Florida has 6
Oklahoma has 6
Texas has 7
Auburn has 2
Those are all perennial top 15 or so programs you assume will be heavily involved in NIL deal making. They have roughly the same amount of commits as LSU right now (some less). NIL and the one-free-transfer rule have completely changed recruiting. So the fans need to change their perspective. The process isn't going to be the same as it was in years past.
If LSU gets to late November with only 5 commitments it will be time to worry. In June? Calm down.
Many on here are freaking out because LSU only has 5 commits at the moment.
Well...
A&M only has 5 commits as well.
Alabama has 4
Florida has 6
Oklahoma has 6
Texas has 7
Auburn has 2
Those are all perennial top 15 or so programs you assume will be heavily involved in NIL deal making. They have roughly the same amount of commits as LSU right now (some less). NIL and the one-free-transfer rule have completely changed recruiting. So the fans need to change their perspective. The process isn't going to be the same as it was in years past.
If LSU gets to late November with only 5 commitments it will be time to worry. In June? Calm down.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:52 am to Alt26
Think about it:
There are some players who are legit top P-5 candidates but are underrated.
There are some who are not underrated but who are a stretch to make one of the top teams in the country, but they really want to take their chance.
These are some of the types of players who are willing to commit early to protect their own interests, if they have a committable offer.
The top 150 generally can wait, pick and choose and negotiate.
There are some players who are legit top P-5 candidates but are underrated.
There are some who are not underrated but who are a stretch to make one of the top teams in the country, but they really want to take their chance.
These are some of the types of players who are willing to commit early to protect their own interests, if they have a committable offer.
The top 150 generally can wait, pick and choose and negotiate.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:50 am to talmaniandevil_25
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You’ll be hard pressed to find kids committed to schools early because of the fluidity of the NIL situations.
Ok...so give me your reason on why ND currently has the #1 class with one 5-star & twelve 4-star commitments at this point in the summer?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:58 am to TigerFanFromBama
Because Notre Dame has always had different recruiting, due to their schools higher standards. Most of these kids have probably wanted to go to Notre Dame for years and have been working towards this, which could speak to how well Brian Kelly recruits.
Kids obviously weren’t tied to Brian Kelly, but loved the school and wanted to go there. In this day in age, I would much rather a 3 or 4 star kid that loves LSU, than a 5 star that plays hard 25% of the time and is worried about the NFL at 17.
Kids obviously weren’t tied to Brian Kelly, but loved the school and wanted to go there. In this day in age, I would much rather a 3 or 4 star kid that loves LSU, than a 5 star that plays hard 25% of the time and is worried about the NFL at 17.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:59 am to talmaniandevil_25
They want to recruit LA kids hard but they have to see them first. It’s not coincidence that some offers are starting to pour in after a camp this weekend.
They staff signed on too late in the process to make waves yet. But in-state stuff is about to take off now that kids are camping & the HS season is ramping up
They staff signed on too late in the process to make waves yet. But in-state stuff is about to take off now that kids are camping & the HS season is ramping up
Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:01 am to TigerFanFromBama
BK bolts and ND decides to dump TAMU NIL money into recruiting.
Now that legislation isn't an issue for LSU anymore I'm expecting them to heat this up by end of July. They'll have their summer evaluations by then and should have a roadmap of who they want to buy off.
Now that legislation isn't an issue for LSU anymore I'm expecting them to heat this up by end of July. They'll have their summer evaluations by then and should have a roadmap of who they want to buy off.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:31 am to TheJuicey
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I would much rather a 3 or 4 star kid that loves LSU, than a 5 star that plays hard 25% of the time and is worried about the NFL at 17.
This sounds like a team culture issue.
Bama, UGA, Clemson, and OSU doesn't seem to have this issue you're speaking of.
Theres no way you can twist the recruitng narrative. Elite talent wins championships... just ask Brian Kelly.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:11 pm to TheJuicey
quote:Another thing too is that the vast majority of ND's staff is still there and has been recruiting those guys already. LSU's ENTIRE STAFF is new outside of Davis. People may know Frank Wilson, but he hasn't been here in years. People may know Kelly, but they know him as that Catholic school HC up north. Every connection we make is damn near brand new. Every evaluation is damn near brand new. Every offer has to be looked at again. Kids have to build relationships, see NIL opportunities, etc.
Because Notre Dame has always had different recruiting, due to their schools higher standards. Most of these kids have probably wanted to go to Notre Dame for years and have been working towards this, which could speak to how well Brian Kelly recruits.
Kids obviously weren’t tied to Brian Kelly, but loved the school and wanted to go there. In this day in age, I would much rather a 3 or 4 star kid that loves LSU, than a 5 star that plays hard 25% of the time and is worried about the NFL at 17.
LSU has to build everything from the ground up. People still want to see how a guy like BK looks coaching a LSU squad. This season will convince a lot of recruits good or bad.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:22 pm to talmaniandevil_25
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For everyone worrying, recruiting isn’t the same…
I think there is truth to that.
I'm wondering if the college staffs are going to transition away from "recruiters" and towards on field tacticians.
The value of the great recruiter seems as though it would decrease significantly. If I'm right, the program that implements this shift first will benefit.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:30 pm to TigerFanFromBama
I’m not twisting the narrative and you are correct. We have a MAJOR cultural problem that is being fixed currently I believe. Because of this, it might take a year or two to correct.
Also as others pointed out, this entire staff is new essentially, where Notre Dame kept a lot of their coaches. Relationships matter a lot.
Also as others pointed out, this entire staff is new essentially, where Notre Dame kept a lot of their coaches. Relationships matter a lot.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:21 pm to talmaniandevil_25
You are right the first order of business today is securing the bag (nil). It ain't even about what team a kid might like anymore.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:27 am to TheJuicey
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Because Notre Dame has always had different recruiting, due to their schools higher standards. Most of these kids have probably wanted to go to Notre Dame for years and have been working towards this, which could speak to how well Brian Kelly recruits.
Kids obviously weren’t tied to Brian Kelly, but loved the school and wanted to go there.
In Notre Dame's case it's a combination of factors.
A few of the kids, like LB Preston Zinter, grew up as ND fans and were always likely to press the button early, but most of the current commits are not. Guys like 5 star DE Keon Kealey didn't grow up in Florida dreaming of wearing a gold helmet.
Much of the current recruiting situation at ND is down to the new Head Coach, the staff he has assembled and the work they're putting in collectively. And given that ND are relatively new in the collective game, and that their collective won't do deals with recruits (ND being ND) before they sign and start classes at ND, it's particularly impressive that they are where they are right now.
That said, 'right now' is the middle of June. ND may have attracted commitments from HS players prepared to ignore larger up front NIL offers now for what they likely could get from studying and playing at ND, but the worry for all Irish fans is what will happen in December as some of the larger, richer schools realise their recruiting classes are not going as well as expected, and they start to make even more outlandish NIL offers.
This is new territory for all of us and no one knows for sure how it will all play out.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:33 am to deuce985
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BK bolts and ND decides to dump TAMU NIL money into recruiting.
FWIW that's not the case. ND's alums, led by Brady Quinn, are organising a collective to pay players for charity work and there are plenty of other NIL opportunities for ND players once they sign and start class - Kyle Hamilton earned a large six figure sum last year from a range of commercial sources, by all accounts.
But what Quinn's group won't do is negotiate with recruits ahead of their signing, which in that context, and by comparison with a lot of other schools, puts ND at a significant disadvantage.
Marcus Freeman's recruiting message is basically: "If you come to ND you will have NIL opportunities - look at existing players - but we can't and won't do deals in advance of you signing. But if you have a Notre Dame diploma after graduation, then you'll be able to earn a lot more over the course of your lifetime than if you accept a higher one-off up front deal at Somewhere Else U".
That's what he's helped ND get the commitments it has received to date. Key question is, how many will remain firm and sign in December?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:36 am to Irish ND fan
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And given that ND are relatively new in the collective game, and that their collective won't do deals with recruits (ND being ND) before they sign and start classes at ND, it's particularly impressive that they are where they are right now.
GTFOH with this Irish propaganda.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:37 am to Datbayoubengal
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Another thing too is that the vast majority of ND's staff is still there and has been recruiting those guys already.
FWIW in the immediate aftermath of Kelly's departure for the Bayou that was indeed true. But by the end of January it absolutely was not the case.
At the start only Brian Polian (Special Teams) went with BK, and Del Alexander (WR) and Jeff Quinn (OL) were let go, as expected. Everyone else remained.
But then Lance Taylor (RB) got the OC job at Louisville. John McNulty (TE) got the OC job at Boston College. Mike Elston (DL) moved sideways to the DL post at his Alma Mater, Michigan.
So basically the only staff remaining were: Tommy Rees (QB/OC), Mike Mickens (CB) and Chris O'Leary (S); and Freeman himself.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:30 am to Irish ND fan
BS. ND is wheeling and dealing just like every one else. Yea first full year of NIL and ND is no. 1 in recruiting just because? Lol. You sound like Jimbo. Just f$&@ing admit it ND is buying player. Get off ur high horse.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:47 pm to 3rdRowTailgater
If a recruit is basing his decision on his NIL deal, Notre Dame is not the place for him." (Or words to that effect.) Marcus Freeman.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:47 pm to LSU_connoisseur
If a recruit is basing his decision on his NIL deal, Notre Dame is not the place for him." (Or words to that effect.) Marcus Freeman.
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