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re: Don't let anyone tell you that 5* recruits don't matter.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 11:10 am to Cs
Posted on 11/13/22 at 11:10 am to Cs
There are rare players who have the freakish talent that Perkins has. Some are five stars and some are not. Tyrann Mathieu, Odell Beckham, Mo Claiborne, Devin White, JaMarr Chase were all non-five stars.
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Posted on 11/13/22 at 11:25 am to tiggerthetooth
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5 star players that have won the Heisman since recruiting rankings have existed:
Reggie Bush
Bryce Young
Tim Tebow
Cam Newton
Jameis Winston
Kyler Murray
Derrick Henry
So twice as many Heisman winners were not five stars. OP certainly exaggerated, but his point is valid, and while you do have better odds with random five stars than with random four stars, there is more top talent outside the five star group than in it.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 11:30 am to NJLSU
Hicks is being a freshman. Playing some but not nearly as much as Perkins. LSU is thinner at LB than OSU is this year I think and OSU only plays 2 in their base formation. He’s prob the 4th or 5th LB on the team right now
I do think he will start next year or get significant snaps
I do think he will start next year or get significant snaps
Posted on 11/13/22 at 11:34 am to Penrod
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So twice as many Heisman winners were not five stars.
And 99% of total college football players were not 5*. And BTW the guy ranked 40th every year is a 4*. That’s an elite level prospect. I would bet of the 4* that make the Heisman ceremony more of them were top 100 players than not.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 11:39 am to ronk
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I know. He’s making a ridiculous argument. Saban is arguably the best college football coach in history so using his logic you could make him the head coach of Wyoming and they would be national champs.
Or if he stayed at Michigan St they would have 7 National Titles
Talent is far and away the most important factor. That doesn’t mean “development” or coaching are not important. Combining elite talent with elite coaching is how you get dynasties. Saban and Alabama have dominated because they get more elite players and they use them correctly. Not because they “developed” their 3 stars
This post was edited on 11/13/22 at 11:49 am
Posted on 11/13/22 at 12:15 pm to NJLSU
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Wonder what CJ Hicks is doing for the Buckeyes? Genuinely curious as he was almost a consensus as 1 to Perkins 2, though they were CLOSE.
5 tackles. 3 solo. That is the end of his season stat line thus far.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 1:12 pm to Cs
Yep the percentage of 4&5 stars on a given roster definitely matter over time. Then you throw in a Louisiana 3 star that plays like a 5star or a Harold Perkins who is a 5 star but plays like an NFL All Pro against college players and that’s what makes a championship team
Posted on 11/13/22 at 3:16 pm to Cs
Only dumbasses think stars don’t matter. You think Saban created that dynasty with 3 stars?
Posted on 11/13/22 at 5:46 pm to Cs
OP is about Developing talent...
Jefferson was a 2 or 3 star
Louisiana produces big time NFL talent
Jefferson was a 2 or 3 star
Louisiana produces big time NFL talent
Posted on 11/13/22 at 5:54 pm to Buckeye06
Oh absolutely, it’s all situational. Dude might end up being an elite talent as well, Ohio State certainly has more depth in most positions, so Perkins had to step up earlier.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 6:37 pm to Cs
I mean then I can point to John Emery and Josh Williams
Posted on 11/13/22 at 7:30 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Not because they “developed” their 3 stars
Go to bed you’re drunk.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 7:31 pm to Solo Cam
If you’re trying to make a case that a walk on in starting then I’ll point you towards every starting rb in the last 40 years. You can’t cherry pick.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 7:54 pm to CrystalPreserves
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Not because they “developed” their 3 stars Go to bed you’re drunk.
I may be at least I understand basic numbers.
But do explain if Bama dominates because they “develop” their 3 stars why does Saban waste so much time recruiting 5 stars?
Posted on 11/13/22 at 8:33 pm to CrystalPreserves
Since you’re wrong you have to prove your case. Go look at Bama’s roster and post how many 3 stars started vs the top 250 in the last 4 years.
Posted on 11/13/22 at 9:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
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100% wrong.
The percentage of 5 stars that go on to good careers and the pros is higher than the percentage of 4 stars and the 4 stars do well at a higher percentage than 3 stars and so on.
The difference is there's only around 35 five star players every year while there are a few hundred 4 stars and a few hundred more 3 stars.
Bingo.
Some people just be talking out the side of they asss.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:19 am to LuzianaFootball
Yep six stars , thank god he didn’t go to bama or A&M
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:52 am to CrystalPreserves
Here is a chart breakdown of Heisman finalists since 2015 according to 247 composite rankings. Note that some years have three finalists and some have five. You have a better chance of being a Heisman finalist if you are a five star than if you are a four star or lower.
- - - - 5*- 4*- 3*
2021: 1 - 2 - 1
2020: 1 - 1 - 2
2019: 2 - 2 - 0
2018: 2 - 2 - 0
2017: 0 - 1 - 2
2016: 1 - 1 - 3
2015: 1 - 2 - 0
- - - - 5*- 4*- 3*
2021: 1 - 2 - 1
2020: 1 - 1 - 2
2019: 2 - 2 - 0
2018: 2 - 2 - 0
2017: 0 - 1 - 2
2016: 1 - 1 - 3
2015: 1 - 2 - 0
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 9:04 am
Posted on 11/14/22 at 12:05 pm to StatsPolice
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- - - 5*- 4*- 3* 2021: 1 - 2 - 1 2020: 1 - 1 - 2 2019: 2 - 2 - 0 2018: 2 - 2 - 0 2017: 0 - 1 - 2 2016: 1 - 1 - 3 2015: 1 - 2 - 0
Bruh. There are more 4 star and below finalists in this list than there are 5 stars. Significantly more.
And before the next guy comes in saying “duh that’s because there are significantly more 4 stars and below than 5 stars…”. That just proves my point. Stars don’t matter. It isn’t a science. It’s all in the development.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:33 pm to CrystalPreserves
Is that the conclusion you got from my post? Let me put it another way.
Using a conservative estimate of 37 five stars each year and 375 four stars each year (roughly based on 247 rankings), a random five star has about a 3% chance, on average, of becoming a Heisman finalist. A random four star has about a 0.4% chance of becoming a Heisman finalist.
Five stars also get drafted at twice the rate of four stars.
Given the choice between a five star recruit and a four star recruit, which one would you choose?
Using a conservative estimate of 37 five stars each year and 375 four stars each year (roughly based on 247 rankings), a random five star has about a 3% chance, on average, of becoming a Heisman finalist. A random four star has about a 0.4% chance of becoming a Heisman finalist.
Five stars also get drafted at twice the rate of four stars.
Given the choice between a five star recruit and a four star recruit, which one would you choose?
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