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re: Devin Pryor Commits (basketball)
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:53 pm to Alt26
Posted on 5/10/23 at 11:53 pm to Alt26
But see, what you're missing is what you and me and the rest of the Joe Schmoe fans might think is a great situation some coach is in might not be all that great at ground level.
And Woodward, for all his faults, is the type of AD who backs up the Brinks truck and walks off with people's coaches. He did it at Washington, he did it at A&M and he's doing it here.
As for cache, I mean, what more do you need than Shaq goes to bat for the program? It's llnot like we're some traditional punching bag. We're too up and down, but we're not strangers to going to the Dance and even making a Final Four. And we haven't EVER had a coach that other coaches had great respect for, which would suggest that they all realize this is a sleeping giant of a program. Hell, like I said, LSU is good in EVERYTHING else.
So no, I don't buy this idea that it's impossible to make a huge hire. All you need is one top-flight guy whose circumstances cause him to look around and fall in love with LSU. You don't need all of them.
And Woodward, for all his faults, is the type of AD who backs up the Brinks truck and walks off with people's coaches. He did it at Washington, he did it at A&M and he's doing it here.
As for cache, I mean, what more do you need than Shaq goes to bat for the program? It's llnot like we're some traditional punching bag. We're too up and down, but we're not strangers to going to the Dance and even making a Final Four. And we haven't EVER had a coach that other coaches had great respect for, which would suggest that they all realize this is a sleeping giant of a program. Hell, like I said, LSU is good in EVERYTHING else.
So no, I don't buy this idea that it's impossible to make a huge hire. All you need is one top-flight guy whose circumstances cause him to look around and fall in love with LSU. You don't need all of them.
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Posted on 5/11/23 at 9:38 am to macaoidh
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But see, what you're missing is what you and me and the rest of the Joe Schmoe fans might think is a great situation some coach is in might not be all that great at ground level.
I don't disagree. That's why you may see a guy like Ed Cooley leave a solid program at Providence to go to a relic of the past in Georgetown. But I don't know if you would consider someone like Ed Cooley to be a "big" hire. And even then, that kind of hire was pretty rare.
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And Woodward, for all his faults, is the type of AD who backs up the Brinks truck and walks off with people's coaches.
At LSU it is because he had the appeal of a powerful football and baseball programs to do it. If your ultimate goal is to win a NC in football Woodward could show any coach in America that LSU is a place where you can do it. Same for baseball. No matt how much money he wants to put on the table he simply can't show the same for a program that (prior to Wade) had as many losing seasons as winning season for over two decades.
I've always felt that LSU COULD be a powerful program. But that's potential. Not fact. As I laid out in my prior post, national championship caliber coaches don't leave their powerhouse programs to go to a lesser program. Even one that may be willing to pay them a to of money. It just doesn't happen. Kansas can poach big time coaches. UCLA can. Duke can. North Carolina can. Kentucky can. But that is not simply because they are willing to spend a ton of money. It's because they have the history of success and pedigree proven to be able to allow a HC to reach the top of his profession. LSU basketball doesn't. So to think LSU could do so in basketball just because they did in two dissimilar situations (football and baseball) is foolish.
Now, what LSU CAN do is what I said before. Catch a fallen star. That's how Ole Miss now has Chris Beard. It's how St. John's has Pitino. Auburn has Pearl. Memphis got Cal 20 years ago. Houston got Sampson. But those hires require perfect timing and a willingness to be bold (which is why I was screaming that Woodward should have made a incredibly bold move this year and grabbed Beard when he unexpectedly became available).
The overwhelming majority championship level coaches aren't guys who were already proven major conf. coaches being poached by another major conf. school. Their path is the same as McMahon's. Jay Wright came from Hofstra to Villanova. Tom Izzo was an assistant at MSU before being promoted. Nate Oats was at Buffalo. Scott Drew was at Valpiraso. Even Danny Hurley went from Rhode Island to UConn.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 1:51 pm to macaoidh
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quote:The potential is evident from watching him play. He does have an outside game. He shot 31% on 3 pointers on 4/game. 31 percent against high school ballers is not much of an outside game. That's a guy whose three-balls you want to limit.
We don’t want Devon for his 3 point shooting. 31% is mediocre, but I’ve seen teens and low 20s. Jalen Cook shot 32% his senior year from 3. Even though outside shooting isn’t Devin’s forte, I only posted that since someone said that all he does is dunk balls. He actually shoots 4 3 pointers per game, so he does have a perimeter game. He should rarely take them unless he improves, but his shot looks smooth, so I think he may improve, like Cook improved. Even if he doesn’t improve, he is capable of hitting some outside shots. He will definitely be limited unless he improves.
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:10 pm to Alt26
I have a recurring dream that Brad Stevens is over the nba life, especially as an exec and wants to get back to coaching and developing players and winning in the ncaa tournament. Get him a bag man and look out!
Posted on 5/11/23 at 2:37 pm to Alt26
Would Kelvin Sampson, Billy Donovan, or Jay Wright be completely unattainable?
What about Dana Altman or Greg McDermont, or Randy Bennet, Or Brian Dutcher??
What about Dana Altman or Greg McDermont, or Randy Bennet, Or Brian Dutcher??
Posted on 5/11/23 at 3:03 pm to Ampipe96
Would Steve Lavin be an option? I wouldn't mind John Brady.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/11/23 at 4:34 pm to Tigershine
Gross. I know you are being sarcastic, but this next hire needs to be big.
This post was edited on 5/11/23 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 5/11/23 at 6:16 pm to Alt26
Alt, you're normally on point. But you do realize SD st and FAU were a heartbeat away from winning the title, right?
College basketball can be won in any given year by at least 75 schools with the way everyone has to rebuild year to year. There's AT MOST a dozen football schools that can win it, and statistically (key word for the mouth breathers) speaking, nobody gives a FLYING FLUCK about college baseball but maybe 10-15 programs.
LSU has been a sleeping giant in basketball ever since Dale left. We just fired the right guy in Wade, but our administration needs to take a master class from WVU and Bama about how to tell the media buzzards to fLuck right off. As I've posted before, we've always gotten plenty of talent in basketball, we just have had crap like Johnson and Jones at the helm.
I think you might be surprised who would take the LSU job, especially for the right price.
College basketball can be won in any given year by at least 75 schools with the way everyone has to rebuild year to year. There's AT MOST a dozen football schools that can win it, and statistically (key word for the mouth breathers) speaking, nobody gives a FLYING FLUCK about college baseball but maybe 10-15 programs.
LSU has been a sleeping giant in basketball ever since Dale left. We just fired the right guy in Wade, but our administration needs to take a master class from WVU and Bama about how to tell the media buzzards to fLuck right off. As I've posted before, we've always gotten plenty of talent in basketball, we just have had crap like Johnson and Jones at the helm.
I think you might be surprised who would take the LSU job, especially for the right price.
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