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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
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Basketball is getting more athletic. It isn’t getting taller


Lol ok

Putting a 6’6” PF next to an undersized C isn’t good in any era
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Bjorn Cyborg
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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
Depends on who those players are and how athletic.


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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
If Thomas is listed at 6-9 then he is probably 6-8 tops.

Better than an empty spot on the bench though. Hopefully he can contribute some decent minutes if called upon.


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Will Wade disagrees with you, fyi.
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"I know everyone is talking about us getting bigger guys but I can roll out three different line-ups that are five, six, and seven inches taller than Auburn’s starting line-up for their Final Four team last year," Wade told reporters in Baton Rouge. "It is not all about having all of this height on the court. Right now, we are one-inch taller than the Houston Rockets who were one of the top-four teams in the NBA last year. So, it is not like we are in desperate need for an infusion of height, we are just going to play a different year.



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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
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Putting a 6’6” PF next to an undersized C isn’t good in any era




Bruce Pearl says, I disagree.


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macaoidh
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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
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Putting a 6’6” PF next to an undersized C isn’t good in any era


Depends on who that 6'6" PF is.

Grant Williams did pretty good. He wasn't particularly tall.

This team is going to run around and press the hell out of people. If you try to overload them with size in the paint they're likely to run right past you. The only real key is they're going to have to be better at draining threes this year, and they need to get good at the new motion offense he's installing.


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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
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I had a nikita wilson flashback when I read this. Sorry I am getting old


When I think of Nikita Wilson, I think of a really quick turn around jump shot with no arc on the ball. He was our go-to guy in the 1987 tourney.

Thomas is carrying more weight than Wilson did and doesn't look to be as quick, but I am really happy with the pickup. I was hoping we would use at least one of the schollies on front court depth.


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Grant Williams did pretty good. He wasn't particularly tall.



Playing next to a 6-11 player


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Two of the best rebounders in the NBA were 6’6” and 6’7”, FWIW.


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So, it is not like we are in desperate need for an infusion of height, we are just going to play a different year.


What is he supposed to say

The auburn model is fine if all 5 guys are going to shoot the 3. Shit, even our returning guards were not good 3pt shooters last year. Emmitt Williams surely wasn’t.



This was him in May during a Q& A. He knows he is desperate for some length which is why he gives a scholarship to a 6-9 juco with below average production. And he’ll likely add another. In fact, he has to. Because you can’t play with what you gave now & expect to compete.

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You’re going to look for some length?: “That would be preferable. Preferably we’d get us a good big kid and somebody we could sit out. That would be ideal.”

On recruiting: “I just like to be patient because there’s lots of things that can happen. Certainly finding somebody with some length. There’ll be another wave of graduate transfers after summer school. There’ll be different ways to find that.”




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thunderbird1100
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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
I know folks like to hate on Lester but he's pretty much spot on here. This was not an ideal add and I doubt he plays much more than 10-15 a game. It's really not much different than us adding Cooper last year, we had spots to fill and did. We really really could have used Dante and Wade was definitely counting on that IMO.

Starting lineup will be Watford, Williams, Taylor, Mays and Smart more than likely to start the season.

Days, Bishop, Hyatt, Manning will get minutes preference beyond that. Cooper and Thomas are end of bench type players. We still have 1 open scholarship, I'd just use it on Sebit Reath, but they will probably save it at this point.

IT's going to be a very guard heavy focused team and more 3's from the bigs, specifically Williams who has been shooting 3's relentlessly all summer.
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Yep. I just don't see how this LSU team will be able to repeat as SEC champs now. Thomas or Cooper would have to exceed expectations for that.

Dante gave them a shot at it, but I just don't see it without him.



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I feel the same, unless we are substansially a night and day different 3 point team, dont see us winning the SEC again. NCAAT is different, guards can really carry you there.

I know wade compared the height we have to auburn last year, but Auburn had Wiley and Okeke, we have nobody like either of them very specifically Wiley.


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It's a horribly weak year for big men in the SEC. Austin Wiley at Auburn is by far the best returning big man in the league, and he's not even that good.

UK had to turn to the grad-transfer market to get a Bucknell transfer. Their front-court is average.

LSU will rarely face a post player that will ever play in the NBA this season.


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UK had to turn to the grad-transfer market to get a Bucknell transfer. Their front-court is average.



I would hardly call UK's front court average. While the two big guys dont give much on offense, they provide great length defensively at 6'10 and 6'11. Add Sestina at 6'9 to that and they arguably have the best front court in the conference. UK and UF will give our own front court major problems.


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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
Not sold on Montgomery or Richards. They do have some size, but that's it.


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Not sold on Montgomery or Richards. They do have some size, but that's it.



I mean they only played 10-15 minutes a game last year but both averaged over a block per game and had good offensive rebound rates. They arent notable offensive players but they have HUGE value defensively. They had the best defensive rating and defensive box +- on UK last season. They deter offensive play around the rim.
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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
UF and Blackshear scare the crap out of me next year.

UF is gonna be really good.


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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
Yea the way Alleva handled the whole yahoo situation was very damaging to our recruiting efforts. You can’t have the AD throw the coach under the bus the way he did and think it’s not gonna impact your recruiting.

Alleva did more damage to our program than the media ever could have.

It’s tragic that he was allowed to do so much damage to the university before he was finally reassigned. One PR blunder after another


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macaoidh
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re: DeShawn Thomas 6-9 JC Center commits to LSU Basketball
Blackshear is the best big in the league now.

Kentucky's bigs are nothing to be particularly awed by. MAYBE Montgomery makes a jump the way P.J. Washington did this past year. MAYBE. I doubt it.

BTW, Here is Thomas' midseason highlight reel from this year. He's very much a poor man's Kavell Bigby-Williams - there is no hint of a midrange or outside game; instead it's all under the basket or just outside it with a little baby hook in the lane. He's physical, he uses his size well, it's clear he's got a sizable wingspan which probably makes him play bigger than 6-9 and he runs the floor well like Bigby-Williams did.

And if you look through his stats, what you'll conclude is they're a lot better than you'd think at first glance. Yes, he averaged 6.9 points, 4.3 rebounds and 1.7 blocks and those are "meh" numbers, but he averaged them in only 15 minutes per game on a 30-3 team which rotated 11 players in and out of games when they were blowing people out of the gym. Florida Southwestern outscored opponents on average 89-67.

Play out Thomas' numbers over 30 minutes a game and he's averaging 14 and 8.6 with three and a half blocks a game while shooting 66.2 percent from the floor. If we'd gone out and gotten a guy with those numbers everybody here would be going wild over it.

I'm not saying this kid is a star. I am saying he might be a whole lot better than everybody thinks. And for what Wade needs out of him he could really be a great fit.


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