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re: Derek Pananaski says fan negativity obviously impacting recruiting

Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by outdoor
Bogalusa
Member since Oct 2009
102 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:26 pm to
What are fans?
Posted by coolmonk
Member since Jan 2007
1198 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:27 pm to
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If Miles and the team are responsible for not winning the game on Jan 9 (and they are 100%), aren't the fans who continue to complain about those coaches responsible for their reaction to that game, and however it is that reaction affects the program? Only a fool would argue that the fans are more reponsible for it than the coaches, or anywhere close. But it doesn't seem logical for the "negative" fans to be able to have their cake, and eat it too, by claiming that they can complain all they want, with absolutely no effect on anything related to LSU football


How can you control the emotions of a few million fans? That was the biggest game on the biggest stage with the most viewers. Everyone that watches college football watched that game. Kids remember the most recent thing and after that horrible display, any thoughts of 13-0 were out the window. People grieve in different ways. This game in particular was crushing because it was a perfect season, it was Bama and it was embarrassing because of the way it played out. A bunch of crushed and embarrassed people from Louisiana aren't going to do too well in these situations. Anyway, the negativity was everywhere. I live in Colorado and people here said it was the worst performance (or lack thereof) they have seen. Family in other states told me the same thing. ESPN was all over it. Kids take notice and kids watched the game.

So it wasn't "fan" negativity, it was widespread negativity and rightly so.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:29 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:32 pm to
Seems like another good reason for the coach not to quit in.a national championship game.
Posted by Martin Blank
Member since Sep 2005
415 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:37 pm to
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How can you control the emotions of a few million fans?


"You" can't, of course. The individual fans themselves are the only ones they can. And my point isn't that these fans need to be "controlled," so much as it is that these fans have to realize that when they do have emotional outbursts like that, they're responsible for any negative effect on the program. Even if that effect isn't nearly as big as the effect of playing so poorly on Jan 9.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about all criticism - it'd be just as ridiculous watch that game, shrug your shoulders 10 seconds later, and say "Oh well - we'll get 'em next year."

I'm not talking about fans showing real anger the next day, making a few comments the day after, or even a lot of comments 3 days after. I'm talking about people who are still using terms like "unacceptable," "apology," and "quitter," even a month later. I don't think you can complain that much, that publicly, in this digital age, and reasonably expect it to not affect the program at all.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33264 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:37 pm to
Agree, the negativity was 10 times higher after all of these incidents:

-McKnight to USC
-RP debacle
-Shady's
-2010 Tenn game debacle
-Ole Miss game debacle
-NC game meltdown 2012

This is a mere blip on the screen.
Posted by eman65
Member since Aug 2009
412 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:38 pm to
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That negativity after the 2010 Tennessee game must have set Landon off!
You can blame that on Les Miles.
Posted by eman65
Member since Aug 2009
412 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:44 pm to
TIGER PHANATICK, your a JOKE!! Blaming the site for bad recruiting! And I forgot, Derek Pananaski is a JOKE for saying that ! GET ON LES MILES arse DEREK !!
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Tiger Phanatick
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2008
4107 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:54 pm to
Read my words a-hole. I never blamed this site. You are a prime example. I said it has an impact.

Your the joke thinking your shite doesnt stink.

Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162072 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 3:54 pm to
Ponamsky will never speak ill of this staff, it would cost him
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:07 pm to
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Chicken

How so? Were there any examples cited...or was it just assumption?

Assumption, as far as I can tell. An assumption that I share. It would be hard to find concrete evidence to substantiate it (or refute it, for that matter). I mean, I can't remember a player who said negative fans had an impact on his decision.

quote:

that is just a nice way to say "fan that can be negative when things go wrong"...really, Derek should have said:

passionate fan base obviously impacting recruiting
Maybe "passionate" was a poor choice of words, but I disagree strongly with you. Passionate fans, by my understanding, support the team in good times (e.g. 13-0) and bad (e.g. NCG). I don't consider "fans" who boo the team or bad-mouth the coach passionate.
This post was edited on 2/1/12 at 7:58 pm
Posted by drjeff17
lake charles, la.
Member since Aug 2008
1115 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:07 pm to
Ponamsky just proved he's an arse. no player would not go to a school because of fan negativity because it shows passion about they're team. Now players who express negativity is something else and any player getting a full ride to scholl should keep their mouth shut.
Posted by eman65
Member since Aug 2009
412 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:09 pm to
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Read my words a-hole. I never blamed this site. You are a prime example. I said it has an impact. Your the joke thinking your shite doesnt stink.
Hey a-hole,The only negative impact on recruiting this YEAR, is Les Miles and his offensive philosophy, and oh yes 1/9/12 didn't hurt.
Posted by That LSU Guy
Ponte Vedra Beach
Member since Jul 2008
15182 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:11 pm to
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Had he at least given us a shot to win the game, things would have been different, even a loss
For who?
Posted by That LSU Guy
Ponte Vedra Beach
Member since Jul 2008
15182 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:12 pm to
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Seems like another good reason for the coach not to quit in.a national championship game.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10454 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:16 pm to
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Collins chose to commit to Alabama BEFORE the game.
Everything was peachy before the 1-9-12 sleepwalk?
The whole season has been a bitchfest, before the 1st snap even.
I think it is a little of all things negative-
Shady's incident and fan reactions,
QB "controversy" and fan reactions,
1-9-12 and fan reactions. 1-9-12 was a karma killer with it being the chance to finally turn the "Tide" and the team, coches and players, mailed it in.
If I'm a #1 LB, etc and if I have a tough decision, a bunch of negative, booing fans would prolly steer me away, all else equal.
Many offenders on here will naysay to deflect any fault, but it's surely true.
So DP is prolly right in some cases and wrong in others.
Posted by eman65
Member since Aug 2009
412 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:22 pm to
So Patrick Bateman, you joined TD Jan 2012 so you can bash Chicken? Are you sure, you do not run and/or operate TexasAg.com ?
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20466 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

no player would not go to a school because of fan negativity because it shows passion about they're team.


You see an impassioned fan base, I see irrational psychos for the most part.

Everyone was crushed by the loss, especially the way it played out on the field, but some are still fans of LSU. Others I wonder about. The ones who go out of their way to justify how/why they can spew venom against a team they supposedly love is what baffles me. What possible good can come out of the finger pointing, personal bashing, and overall whining that people do on FB and TD. It's just as embarrassing as the loss itself.
Posted by peopleschamp
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
6576 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:29 pm to
It's this rabid itense interest that makes the LSU football program money. You can't have this off the charts interest without having a highly critical fan base. Decide what you want? An uninterested fan base where you make no money or a fanatical fan base where you make money hand over fist?
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:30 pm to
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Many offenders on here will naysay to deflect any fault, but it's surely true.


there is no doubt that a coach recruiting for another team would use fan sentiment of the program/coaching staff as a tactic...they'd be stupid not to. If done properly it also requires a staff to continue "recruiting" current commits...which takes time and attention away from other recruits. This is common sense...
Posted by DanglingFury
Living the dream
Member since Dec 2007
20466 posts
Posted on 2/1/12 at 4:30 pm to
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You can't have this off the charts interest without having a highly critical fan base


Yeah, totally disagree with that.
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