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re: Can Someone Explain…Re: Herring
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:41 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:41 am to Lester Earl
Regardless of the rumors of him and Yeskie not getting along or whatever, I would expect him to get at least double his slot value and with his age that's enough to take him away from LSU.
When looking at the yankees draft you can easily find where they can save the money to give him 700K. The top 3 picks for them were all picked earlier than expected and are in their Jr year. Likely saved on all 3. Then the 8,9,10 round picks are all out of eligibility and will be paid under slot. Put on top of that the 5% allowed overslot and that is another 400K roughly.
When looking at the yankees draft you can easily find where they can save the money to give him 700K. The top 3 picks for them were all picked earlier than expected and are in their Jr year. Likely saved on all 3. Then the 8,9,10 round picks are all out of eligibility and will be paid under slot. Put on top of that the 5% allowed overslot and that is another 400K roughly.
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:42 am to Tigerfan14
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Him taking 6th round money just confirms it.
Just because he got picked in the 6th round doesn't mean he is taking 6th round money. He will likely get at least 4th round money if I had to guess.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:45 am to BayTiger13
I’d just like to ask folks to consider too that just because certain players don’t like the coaches (if that’s true) doesn’t mean the problem is all on the end of the coach.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 7:50 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:46 am to OGTiger
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Can Someone Explain…why Griffin would leave for a few hundred thousand dollars? If he stayed and was drafted next year in even the 2nd or 3rd round, that could be a few million dollars difference
I assume that this will be an unpopular answer but it’s the most logical one I can think of: He left because, realistically, he is not the type/profile of pitcher who can do all that much to improve his draft stock beyond where it is now. He doesn’t have big velocity, nor does he have crazy secondary stuff, nor is he a tall/lanky guy for whom you can really project gains in those areas. Basically, he is what he is for the most part. Maybe he could come back and have an outstanding season next year - but on-field performance was never the limiting factor for his draft stock in the first place.
The bottom line is this: This type of pitcher pretty much is what he is. There’s nothing much left to “figure out” skill-wise and there’s not much projectability in terms of his stuff, so the only real way to boost your perception (ie your perceived big league likelihood/role/value) is just to show results at higher levels. So that’s what he’s going ahead and doing. He will basically need to “prove it” at each successive level, so he figured “alright then i might as well get started.”
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:05 am to LifeAquatic
I think Herring may have been a little perturbed that he wasn't a weekend starter when LSU struggled early on but he was way too valuable to close out the games he did this year and LSU would not have been able to make the run they did without the role he was in
If LSU didn't have to burn Herring against Wofford they would have had a much better chance if they could have saved him for the final game against UNC
I'm not comparing him to Chase Burns at all but when Tenn put him in the bullpen he didn't like it either and starters get way more money in the draft then bullpen guys and Herring was in LSU's top 3 pitchers
I do think Herring wasn't too fond of some of Yeskie's pitch calls but at the end of the day the pitching was pretty close stat wise to last year's team and the draft results of Holman Hurd and Jump prove that out
If LSU didn't have to burn Herring against Wofford they would have had a much better chance if they could have saved him for the final game against UNC
I'm not comparing him to Chase Burns at all but when Tenn put him in the bullpen he didn't like it either and starters get way more money in the draft then bullpen guys and Herring was in LSU's top 3 pitchers
I do think Herring wasn't too fond of some of Yeskie's pitch calls but at the end of the day the pitching was pretty close stat wise to last year's team and the draft results of Holman Hurd and Jump prove that out
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 8:05 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:08 am to nicholastiger
Agreed. The coaches have a job to win games not to tailor the game plan to showcase a kids draft profile. I guess this is just a sign of the times to some degree. Kinda makes me think this is part of the mindset Jay was referring to when he referenced Will Hellmers and saying we want kids who are bought in.
Anyway, good luck to Griffin.
Anyway, good luck to Griffin.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:30 am to BayTiger13
I don’t think he’ll get double slot. The Yankees will throw some darts and likely use savings here in the later rounds
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:31 am to LifeAquatic
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I assume that this will be an unpopular answer but it’s the most logical one I can think of: He left because, realistically, he is not the type/profile of pitcher who can do all that much to improve his draft stock beyond where it is now. He doesn’t have big velocity, nor does he have crazy secondary stuff, nor is he a tall/lanky guy for whom you can really project gains in those areas. Basically, he is what he is for the most part. Maybe he could come back and have an outstanding season next year - but on-field performance was never the limiting factor for his draft stock in the first place. The bottom line is this: This type of pitcher pretty much is what he is. There’s nothing much left to “figure out” skill-wise and there’s not much projectability in terms of his stuff, so the only real way to boost your perception (ie your perceived big league likelihood/role/value) is just to show results at higher levels. So that’s what he’s going ahead and doing. He will basically need to “prove it” at each successive level, so he figured “alright then i might as well get started.”
A lot of this just isn’t true. Although he might not have a ton of velocity projection left, his breaking ball was his best pitch and helped his fastball play up. He debuted a change up in the cape this summer which apparently looked like a legit third pitch, which he didn’t throw at all this season. If he came back to start and improved his command and used the changeup, he absolutely could’ve boosted his stock. He would’ve been an old junior, but he would’ve still had leverage.
As far as what he’s getting on a signing bonus, it’s still too early to tell the Yankees plan on bonus slots. They can very well use the savings on a HS kid in rounds 11-20. I don’t think they went underslot all draft to throw it all at Herring. We will see tho.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:32 am to Wichita Co Tiger
A lot of pitchers did not like Yeskie. It’s one thing for a seldom used player to dislike a coach, but your best pitcher & team MVP is a little questionable. Maybe it is the coach
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:36 am to Lester Earl
Could be Lester. If it is Yeskie then hopefully Jay will make a change if that continues to be an issue.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:37 am to BayTiger13
Based on who the Yankees have drafted so far. I would bet he doubled his slot value.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 8:39 am
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:47 am to GeauxFish31
I would be shocked if it’s more than 50%
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:56 am to Lester Earl
Sometimes guys just wanna go play pro ball. It’s not like he’s signing for pennies to play Indy ball, he’ll get a healthy bonus and will be in a good organization.
there’s no guarantee he stays healthy next year or his move to the starting rotation goes off without a hitch.
Maybe he hated Yeskie but he also could have put his name in the portal with Hurd and didn’t do that. Idk.
there’s no guarantee he stays healthy next year or his move to the starting rotation goes off without a hitch.
Maybe he hated Yeskie but he also could have put his name in the portal with Hurd and didn’t do that. Idk.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:59 am to Lester Earl
There’s no way he’s getting less than 750k
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:03 am to nicholastiger
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I think Herring may have been a little perturbed that he wasn't a weekend starter
A kid from Southlake being perturbed that he's not getting his way? Color me shocked
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:05 am to SpencerRob
I’m trying to figure out what I’m missing here. A guy that was taken in the 6th Rd who was maybe a 5th rd talent is going to get 100% over slot value?
I’m being cautious here because I think even 50% is high, but enough people this morning seem to think he’s getting way over slot. So I simply ask you what part of his circumstances would lead you to believe this?
Jumbo over slots are generally high school kids or highly projectible college players. Not guys that are drafted in the area people thought they’d be drafted.
I’m being cautious here because I think even 50% is high, but enough people this morning seem to think he’s getting way over slot. So I simply ask you what part of his circumstances would lead you to believe this?
Jumbo over slots are generally high school kids or highly projectible college players. Not guys that are drafted in the area people thought they’d be drafted.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:11 am to Wichita Co Tiger
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I’d just like to ask folks to consider too that just because certain players don’t like the coaches (if that’s true) doesn’t mean the problem is all on the end of the coach.
Correct
But LSU fans automatically want the coach fired
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:31 am to HC87
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Agreed, not that many hard-throwing LHPs (mid-90s or better) with nasty off speed on MLB rosters
You sure about that ?
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:33 am to lsusteve1
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Correct But LSU fans automatically want the coach fired
Not yet but let’s see if it’s a pattern. If we have pitchers leaving every year then the coach could be the problem.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:36 am to Lester Earl
To clarify my comment from earlier, I used 700K just as a number that would be easy for the Yankees to get to based on who they drafted in the top 10 rounds. I don't think they will give Herring 700K but if that was his number and they agreed to it then there is an easy why for them to get there. That is what I was trying to say to the OP.
I think the likely price is 500-600K. Do I think he can better his stock if he comes back, yes. The bigger question is by how much and if he thought it was worth it vs starting his career a year earlier. As a pitcher the longer you wait the more likely you will get passed up by younger guys that are the same or close to the same as the talent level.
I think the likely price is 500-600K. Do I think he can better his stock if he comes back, yes. The bigger question is by how much and if he thought it was worth it vs starting his career a year earlier. As a pitcher the longer you wait the more likely you will get passed up by younger guys that are the same or close to the same as the talent level.
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