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A running QB vs. a QB that can run
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:14 pm
Comparing CW's junior highlights to Nuss' one, I kinda feel like Nuss is a better fit for the current scheme as he's a accurate pocket passer with great mobility, whereas Caleb typically takes off the moment he sees a chance to run. This reminds me of the critique people had about Johnny Manziel and how he wouldn't transition well to the pro style football. With our pro style offese, does anyone feel like Nuss would have a better career here if the current scheme stays?
Not that I wouldn't take both of them if CW decides to come.
Not that I wouldn't take both of them if CW decides to come.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 11:15 pm
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:44 pm to VesperiaLSU
Yep. I want someone slinging it to our gazelles downfield. And running around a little bit if they have to to do so
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:02 am to VesperiaLSU
Not so fast my friend, a lot of those runs are designed. P/A read and qb keepers, pay attention to the lineman blocking downfield. It’s high school a lot of teams do it
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:35 am to VesperiaLSU
Accuracy and intelligence are the two qualities every great QB possesses. First, they have to know where to throw the ball. Second, they have to be able to hit their target. Mobility is an added bonus, and a "running" QB can be very successful in college (see Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, etc). But it is not something you MUST have. Just being mobile enough to feel and avoid the rush is enough if you have the first two qualities.
Maybe. But he was an outstanding college QB...which is all LSU is worried about.
There are several ways to get it done in college football. The key is calling plays that accentuate the strengths of your players as opposed to trying to force your players into a "one size fits all" system. That's something Les never wanted to recognize. A guy like Brennan is NOT going to be Joe Burrow. That's ok, as long as the coaches calls plays to his strengths vs. trying to force him to be Joe Burrow.
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This reminds me of the critique people had about Johnny Manziel and how he wouldn't transition well to the pro style football.
Maybe. But he was an outstanding college QB...which is all LSU is worried about.
There are several ways to get it done in college football. The key is calling plays that accentuate the strengths of your players as opposed to trying to force your players into a "one size fits all" system. That's something Les never wanted to recognize. A guy like Brennan is NOT going to be Joe Burrow. That's ok, as long as the coaches calls plays to his strengths vs. trying to force him to be Joe Burrow.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 7:48 am to Alt26
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Maybe. But he was an outstanding college QB...which is all LSU is worried about
Manzel was totally ineffective against LSU's defense. Deshaun Watson is not really a running QB. He would be more of a QB that can run. Both of these guys will thrive in the LSU offensive scheme.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 8:02 am to VesperiaLSU
The latter with brains and accuracy all day everyday
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:44 am to VesperiaLSU
Caleb Williams is Jalen Hurts part deaux. This may be good for Oklahoma's offense, but for LSU's offense, he is not a fit. LSU needs a QB that can get the ball out to the playmakers in space.
Hell, Oklahoma's best running back transferred to Ohio State for the 2020 season. Because with Jalen Hurts at QB last season, Jalen got all the runs and he hardly had any. I can't say I blame him for being unhappy at Oklahoma. As he was obviously pissed on at Oklahoma.
Nussmeier looks to be much more comfortable and much more polished as a QB relative to Caleb Williams to me. At least in my eyes.
Hell, Oklahoma's best running back transferred to Ohio State for the 2020 season. Because with Jalen Hurts at QB last season, Jalen got all the runs and he hardly had any. I can't say I blame him for being unhappy at Oklahoma. As he was obviously pissed on at Oklahoma.
Nussmeier looks to be much more comfortable and much more polished as a QB relative to Caleb Williams to me. At least in my eyes.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:10 am to VesperiaLSU
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A running QB vs. a QB that can run
Another way of saying it is a mobile QB vs a Dual threat QB
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Aaron Rodgers, Joe Burrow, hell in college Matt Flynn vs RG3, Manziel, etc
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:36 am to VesperiaLSU
If you have an accurate QB that can also run & score at any time, it gives a defense its greatest challenge. But you risk injury and most likely, a shortened career.
If you have an accurate QB that is mobile enough to only extend plays to pass or run for a first/short TD, it's the ideal balance.
If you have an accurate but immobile QB, you are only as good (or bad) as your OL. Injury/concussion risk is also a concern.
If you have an inaccurate QB who constantly relies on his lethal ability to run for a score or move the chains, you have a future NFL WR, RB, or gadget-slash-QB.
If you have an inaccurate & immobile QB, you probably lost to LSU in the SECCG.
If you have an accurate QB that is mobile enough to only extend plays to pass or run for a first/short TD, it's the ideal balance.
If you have an accurate but immobile QB, you are only as good (or bad) as your OL. Injury/concussion risk is also a concern.
If you have an inaccurate QB who constantly relies on his lethal ability to run for a score or move the chains, you have a future NFL WR, RB, or gadget-slash-QB.
If you have an inaccurate & immobile QB, you probably lost to LSU in the SECCG.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:43 pm to Alt26
Deshaun Watson isn’t a running quarterback. He is a quarterback who can run.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 10:09 pm to VesperiaLSU
Boooooi I can just imagine LSU using him like the Saints use Hill on offense
Posted on 5/6/20 at 1:18 pm to VesperiaLSU
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A running QB vs. a QB that can run
Comparing CW's junior highlights to Nuss' one, I kinda feel like Nuss is a better fit for the current scheme as he's a accurate pocket passer with great mobility, whereas Caleb typically takes off the moment he sees a chance to run. This reminds me of the critique people had about Johnny Manziel and how he wouldn't transition well to the pro style football. With our pro style offese, does anyone feel like Nuss would have a better career here if the current scheme stays?
Not that I wouldn't take both of them if CW decides to come.
A QB that can run. Mobility in the pocket, can roll out and throw and get a first down with his feet if Team is locked up in man to man. But first goal is get to the ball to WR down field, TE an RB. Every running QB in the history of football in the NFL does not last long, the hits just keep on coming. Throw first and be able to moeve
Posted on 5/6/20 at 4:08 pm to GorgeousGeorge
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Deshaun Watson isn’t a running quarterback. He is a quarterback who can run.
But, but, but! That doesn't fit these numb skulls' narrative. Let's go with the lower rated, lower ceiling QB over the 5th rated player in the nation. We don't want a 5 star QB at LSU because he is a DT QB. And everybody knows how terrible the top rated DT QBs have been. Much lower rated PP QBs are the ones who have been more successful in college football. NOT!!! Maybe in the Bizzarro world they obviously live in.
The logic of these guys takes a special alternative fact based logic to come to the conclusion to willingly pass on the first 5 star QB LSU has been in the running for since Ryan Perrilou. To formulate in their minds that a much lower rated QB is the better option for LSU. To believe they are a better judge of talent at the QB position than the coaches at Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma and Ohio State combined who each offered Williams, but not Nussmeier. Have all those coaches lost their ability to judge QB talent and need these special savants to set them straight? Is it possible semjackass (BRAVEHEART) has more kindred spirits than should exist in any realm? Especially in the LSU fan base.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 4:14 pm to VesperiaLSU
Nussmeier was a take it Williams wants in take him too
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:39 pm to VesperiaLSU
I think it can't be understated how big of an advantage a running QB is in the run game.
With a dynamic player there, you can still kill people with pretty basic plays, like draws and read options..
Its clearly better for the passing game to have a guy who can scramble around indefinitely and let WRs get open (especially now that we are routinely giving our QB 5 targets)
CW has a good arm but yeah sometimes I think he decided to tuck and run too quickly.
With a dynamic player there, you can still kill people with pretty basic plays, like draws and read options..
Its clearly better for the passing game to have a guy who can scramble around indefinitely and let WRs get open (especially now that we are routinely giving our QB 5 targets)
CW has a good arm but yeah sometimes I think he decided to tuck and run too quickly.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:51 pm to VesperiaLSU
Mobile QBs are the key to winning in CFB. If Nuss can keep defenses honest, LSU is in good shapr
Posted on 5/8/20 at 1:54 pm to VesperiaLSU
quote:People just need to move on. Caleb isn't coming if Nuss ends up signing.
Not that I wouldn't take both of them if CW decides to come.
Posted on 5/9/20 at 11:00 pm to VesperiaLSU
He could also be the next Mike Vick without all the trouble. The reason these coaches love these types of guys is because if or when the light comes on for them and they become a manipulative type of passer they will now be a huge threat and act as a RB and a QB.
It creates huge advantage for an offense and it also creates huge stresses to a defense. While I agree that all you need is what Burrow gave us last year and actually don’t even need that to be successful but if you have it then it’s huge. Actually all a QB needs is to be able to move inside of the pocket and a little bit outside of it if he can get the ball out quickly and accurately to the right player.
These type of QBs don’t need wide open receivers, they simply need to be on the same page as his teammates so they both know what type of throws he can make and where he prefers to throw those passes. You can win with both and both are very rare but if we can get both Nuss and CW then get em.
It creates huge advantage for an offense and it also creates huge stresses to a defense. While I agree that all you need is what Burrow gave us last year and actually don’t even need that to be successful but if you have it then it’s huge. Actually all a QB needs is to be able to move inside of the pocket and a little bit outside of it if he can get the ball out quickly and accurately to the right player.
These type of QBs don’t need wide open receivers, they simply need to be on the same page as his teammates so they both know what type of throws he can make and where he prefers to throw those passes. You can win with both and both are very rare but if we can get both Nuss and CW then get em.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 12:13 am to NattyTiger19
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Caleb Williams is Jalen Hurts part deaux.
Dead Wrong
Caleb Williams has a 75 yard arm. Wake the hell up n get a whiff of what you’re shovelin. Williams is SEC weight/height ready and is more of a prostyle QB than Dual. Orgeron wants him bad!
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This may be good for Oklahoma's offense, but for LSU's offense, he is not a fit. Nussmeier looks to be much more comfortable and much more polished as a QB relative to Caleb Williams to me. At least in my eyes.
Dead Wrong Again
Talk like you think you know more than our coaches who are recruiting Caleb Williams.
Nussmeier (a pro QBs son) is too small for SEC play (same as Myles Brennan but 2 inches shorter at 182) and Nuss is a 2 yr Project! But then, Myles is here for another two seasons if we don’t go 15-0 and chase down another Heisman ... Myles is 20:1 odds to win a Heisman
Caleb Williams gives LSU Championship repeatability potential and right away!
Williams isn’t a two year S&C project like Nuss and Ed Orgeron & Ensminger & Linehan are still going after Caleb Williams Hot n Heavy
Posted on 5/10/20 at 9:11 am to PokeyTiger
Nuss is not exactly a "project", he is the #7 pro style QB and am glad to have him.
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