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What do you think is happening with my dishwasher?
Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:50 pm
Every time we run the dishwasher now it trips the power to my 2 outlets by the dishwasher, garbage disposal and lights above the sink. I hear the GCFI outlet pop when it all goes out. I click the reset button on the GFCI outlet and everything comes back on and the dishwasher begins draining.
What could I do to stop it from tripping every time I run it?
What could I do to stop it from tripping every time I run it?
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Posted on 8/12/19 at 7:54 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
Whatever you have plugged into those two outlets with the dishwasher is drawing too much power. Move those things to a different circuit.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:01 pm to marchballer
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Whatever you have plugged into those two outlets with the dishwasher is drawing too much power. Move those things to a different circuit.
This/\. Too much draw on the circuit.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:16 pm to gumbo2176
I’ll give that a shot
Posted on 8/12/19 at 8:23 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
If you haven’t had problems on that circuit before, perhaps the motor or a heating element in the dishwasher is in the process of failing and drawing excess amps tripping the GFIC outlet? GFCI outlets can also get weak and fail over time.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 10:09 pm to CrawDude
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GFCI outlets can also get weak and fail over time.
Could be this too. Over the years I've had 3 or 4 fail on me. If it happens when the disposal, etc aren't running then I would replace the GFCI and see if that fixes the problem.
Posted on 8/12/19 at 11:16 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
It’s probably just the gfci outlet. Run a short extension cord from a nearby gfci known to be good to the dishwasher and see if it pops.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 4:13 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
your heater has likely gone bad on your dishwasher. that's usually what causes a gfi to trip whenever you run a dishwasher on a gfi circuit.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 8:09 am to marchballer
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Whatever you have plugged into those two outlets with the dishwasher is drawing too much power. Move those things to a different circuit.
That isn't his issue, GFCI outlets don't trip based on power draw, they trip on an imbalance between the Load and Neutral currents. That indicates a ground leakage.
Other posters suggested the likely causes, dishwater motor, heater element or bad GFCI outlet. Not necessarily in that order. The fact that it only happens when the drain motor is kicking on (I assume because the dishwasher starts to drain when kicked back on) and that it works without tripping when reset makes me suspect the GFCI outlet itself. Replace that first, easiest and cheapest fix to try.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 3:04 pm to mdomingue
unless you see water on the floor under the dishwasher no way that water is getting into drain pump or wash motor causing GFI to trip. only thing I've seen cause it is the heater which comes on about 45mins into a wash cycle.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 3:27 pm to shoestring
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unless you see water on the floor under the dishwasher no way that water is getting into drain pump or wash motor causing GFI to trip. only thing I've seen cause it is the heater which comes on about 45mins into a wash cycle.
The timing of what he is describing pretty much looks like a motor or GFCI issue. The motor itself or any connections to the motor, even at the relay/control board can have a bleed to ground that develops from any source of moisture or another issue and not from the water in the dishwasher. That is not all that likely, which is part of why I expect it is the GFCI itself.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 4:00 pm to mdomingue
Have you ever repaired a dishwasher that had this same exact issue?
Posted on 8/13/19 at 4:02 pm to Who_Dat_Tiger
What brand of dishwasher do you own?
Posted on 8/13/19 at 4:44 pm to shoestring
Nope. Most of my work and trouble shooting has been in industrial/oilfield applications. So I guess I should concede to your greater experience with this. If this is your field your advice would certainly be better than mine.
The telling thing, to me, from a troubleshooting aspect, has to do with the fact that when he resets his GFCI the drain pump kicks on based on his description. I guess that could be subsequent in the sequence to whatever trips the GFCI. The likelihood that moisture or even a board or relay issue is the culprit is why I would suspect the GFCI (I have dealt with GFCIs a bit) first. My lack of knowledge of the sequence and what would be on just prior to the drain kicking on or if the drain kicks on when you cycle power may have colored my thinking. Definitely was not trying to offend.
The telling thing, to me, from a troubleshooting aspect, has to do with the fact that when he resets his GFCI the drain pump kicks on based on his description. I guess that could be subsequent in the sequence to whatever trips the GFCI. The likelihood that moisture or even a board or relay issue is the culprit is why I would suspect the GFCI (I have dealt with GFCIs a bit) first. My lack of knowledge of the sequence and what would be on just prior to the drain kicking on or if the drain kicks on when you cycle power may have colored my thinking. Definitely was not trying to offend.
This post was edited on 8/13/19 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 8/13/19 at 5:11 pm to mdomingue
Lol the reason I asked is it took me a few hours to narrow down the cause of this failure. I also blamed the GFI first then found the heater(usually calrod) had a small crack causing the trip condition whenever the heater was energized. After finally making this repair I've seen this condition repeatedly and always check the heater 1st.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 5:34 pm to shoestring
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Lol the reason I asked is it took me a few hours to narrow down the cause of this failure. I also blamed the GFI first then found the heater(usually calrod) had a small crack causing the trip condition whenever the heater was energized. After finally making this repair I've seen this condition repeatedly and always check the heater 1st.
Good to know.
I have a dishwasher issue now but It's completely different. I haven't addressed it yet since we generally wash dishes by hand. The wife says not to bother with it but I hate having non working stuff. Without going into the particulars, I'm pretty sure it's a bad control board or ribbon connector to the control panel based on a information from a few sites online about the light flashing and the behavior of the controls. I may look at it when I get in next week. And I may just go fishinng instead.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 5:56 pm to mdomingue
lol if its built by maytag they have some known issues and used to give a free part if the ribbon failed do to silver migration.
Posted on 8/13/19 at 11:56 pm to CrawDude
Since this threads still going I’ll respond to some questions. After reading some of your thoughts definitely of the opinion now it is the heating element in the dishwasher causing the issue... the dishwasher runs for a while before it trips and we always turn on the heated dry option. That must be what is tripping it because the only thing plugged into the gfci outlet is a hardly used coffee maker.
The dishwasher brand is GE and it’s pretty old which also makes me think the heating element has just gone bad too. Which option should I go with?
1) Would i save any money trying to replace it myself if it’s an easy fix to replace a heating element
2) call repairman to fix. Again not sure what a new heating element would cost and the labor required to fix
3) donate the one I have and buy a new one when Black Friday appliance sales come around
The dishwasher brand is GE and it’s pretty old which also makes me think the heating element has just gone bad too. Which option should I go with?
1) Would i save any money trying to replace it myself if it’s an easy fix to replace a heating element
2) call repairman to fix. Again not sure what a new heating element would cost and the labor required to fix
3) donate the one I have and buy a new one when Black Friday appliance sales come around
Posted on 8/14/19 at 8:54 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
actually if you find a nationwide group dealer they are having big sales right now you wont have to wait
Posted on 8/14/19 at 8:56 am to shoestring
If I recall correctly, dishwashers are required by code to be on a separate circuit for just this reason. I may be wrong but it seems an electrician friend told me that one time?
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