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Undermount sink coming loose, solutions?

Posted on 10/21/19 at 3:42 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20386 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 3:42 pm
I have an under-mount sink that is breaking loose from the granite counter. I wedged a 3/4" PVC pipe between the sink and cabinet bottom to hold it in place temporarily. It looks like the installer used about 15 or so 3"x1.5" pieces of engineered stone glued to the bottom of the granite to hold the sink in place, and the glue is now "breaking" loose of the counter top and the pieces have mostly fallen down now.

I'm assuming this was done upside down, so the sink was glued down to the granite. Now the sink is on the bottom. So are there any good solutions to repair the sink back into place? Of course the other issue is I only have 4-5" at most of work space between the sink and the sides of the cabinet. So getting my hands up there is tough at best

I'm thinking about taking some quick drying adhesive or epoxy and using pvc or wood to wedge them into place until it dries? Essentially re-doing what was there before?
Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 3:52 pm to
As someone with no experience on this, I would assume you would need to remove the sink, scrape off the old adhesive and reapply it. Then build some sort of supportive bracket under/around the sink attached with screws not glue to the cabinet.

That is probably the only way to ensure that it doesn't fall again.

Maybe someone with more experience will say I'm wrong though.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18052 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

I'm thinking about taking some quick drying adhesive or epoxy and using pvc or wood to wedge them into place until it dries?


Could you also screw some wooden supports to the inside of cabinet?

I’d think about renting (or buying) a pair of cabinet jacks to lift the sink and hold it in place until the adhesive dries.
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
5998 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9774 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:58 pm to
Sounds like a half arse installation.

They are usually installed with metal clips and a special tool is used to cut a slot to anchor them.

Metal or porcelain sink?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20386 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 6:57 pm to
quote:

They are usually installed with metal clips and a special tool is used to cut a slot to anchor them.

Metal or porcelain sink?


Stainless. Eh, it’s a higher end place. Likely top of the line installer at the time. Doesn’t mean they didn’t cut corners. But their method was basically using diy materials of what I’ve seen online. If they installed it with the sink facing up, I can see the craftsmanship doing fine. Hard to say.

I like the idea of putting a 2x4 on the top and bottom with a bolt squeezing the 2 together to hold into place while it dries. May try that.
Posted by jyoung1
Lafayette
Member since May 2010
2123 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:44 pm to
I have the same problem, sink was only glued to granite with silicone, nothing else supporting it.



I’m going to scrape off silicone and apply more. Also I bought some of these brackets and I’m going to glue them underneath to granite with some power grab and tighten down. Gonna use floor jack with 2x4s to support while silicone dries.

Amazon under-mount brackets

ETA underneath pic:
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted by Capital Cajun
Over Yonder
Member since Aug 2007
5525 posts
Posted on 10/21/19 at 9:05 pm to
You can screw some wood blocks (1x2) to the side of the cabinets.

Or get some metal pipe strapping and run it under the sink bowl and screw the straps into the sides of the cabinet.

Or do both options above.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16538 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 12:10 am to
I've done this repair a few times. Made a clamp system using a pair of 2x4's, couple of feet of all thread, nuts, & washers. Basically one 2x4 across the top and another under the sink across the drains with all thread connecting. You'll have to remove the sink baskets and whatever plumbing you have attached to the sink but it's a far better method than trying to wedge 2x4's or whatever from underneath. You'll be able to precisely set the sink in place and clamp it to the granite to give the silicone the best chance to set. I also used an anchor system with two-part epoxy (regular setting JB Weld, don't even try the fast setting stuff) and scuffed the anchor points on the granite with a diamond abrasive point on an oscillating tool. Don't be in a hurry, let everything cure overnight.

Edit: Completely remove the sink and remove all of the old silicone too. I used a razor scraper, acetone, and green scrub pad. You aren't going to see the lip of the sink so don't go light with the green pad. Also, use the blue label GE 1* silicone. Don't use anything that says paintable or offers extra flexibility or stretch, you aren't caulking a seam here, the silicone is going to be the main adhesive at work. If you need to go back and run a clean seam of sealant on the inside edge of the sink later, choose whatever mold-resistant kitchen/bath caulk you want.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 11:39 am
Posted by geauxnc0308
pineywoods of ET
Member since May 2008
536 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:17 pm to
Buy this:
LINK
and this:
LINK
Mix pooky, attach bracket base to granite, let dry over night, scrape old silicone out as best you can, apply new silicone, suck up sink with wingnuts onto new bracket
Paper plate and wooden popsicle sticks work great for pooky mixing, use less than you think because if it drips it's a pain to clean up
Shouldn't have to remove sink assuming you can snake your hand around up under there
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20386 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:28 pm to
Will that epoxy hold the brackets in place until it dries? I tried some other epoxy as a quicker fix and it wouldn't hold the old blocks that were originally used in place while the epoxy dried?

I think I'm going to buy something like 1/4" pvc and make some large wedges to hold the brackets in place until they dry? I can cut them clean, put a cap on them, drill a hold in the cap, then wedge them in to "hold" the brackets while the epoxy dries.

I need to do like 10 brackets, the issue I see is I don't want to make some epoxy, hold one bracket for 20 minutes while the epoxy dries, then make another, etc.

ETA: I was also hoping to not have to remove my plumbing from under the sink and off the sink, and completely remove the sink, but I'll just do this the right way and take the sink off, clean everything up, then start over from scratch the right way essentially.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 4:30 pm
Posted by geauxnc0308
pineywoods of ET
Member since May 2008
536 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

Will that epoxy hold the brackets in place until it dries
Yes, that epoxy is a thick paste not a liquid, let it dry for at least a day before lifting the sink
quote:

not have to remove my plumbing from under the sink and off the sink
Shouldn't have to remove anything. Put the thick paste on the bracket then push it onto the granite. It's tight getting to front side (faucet side) but there is typically enough space to snake your arm up there
Scrape all the old silicone out from between sink and granite. This takes awhile because you typically only have 1/8-1/2" to work with. Use paint scrapers, flat razors, etc. You will eventually get it all out. Clean it with bleach, use hair dryer to dry it, then apply new bead and suck the sink up with the wingnuts
Posted by The Korean
Denham Springs, LA
Member since May 2008
1612 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:16 am to
I second this. I had a bathroom sink fall while the water was running. Bought the brackets and epoxy, fix the broken sink and went around to the others too.
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4707 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

Then build some sort of supportive bracket under/around the sink attached with screws not glue to the cabinet


If you take the drain out you can put a piece of wood under the sink and one on the counter and run a ratchet strap through the drain hole. Can ratchet it tight until the adhesive dries. But yeah you're definitely correct that the old adhesive needs to be removed. Whoever installed the sink probably didn't prep correctly.
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4707 posts
Posted on 10/28/19 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

I like the idea of putting a 2x4 on the top and bottom with a bolt squeezing the 2 together to hold into place while it dries. May try that.



use a ratchet strap between the two boards, much easier than a bolt and you'll be able to tighten it up well. If it's a double basin sink, I'd run a ratchet through each drain. Also run the 2x4s perpendicular to each other so there's pressure on the sink in two directions instead of one.
Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3568 posts
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:35 pm to
I had a sink fall from a crappy install a while back and this is the strongest, easiest way to repair it and never have to worry about it again:
LINK
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20386 posts
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:58 pm to
I actually bought all of the above, I don't feel like screwing around. It was like $60 on amazon for both the brackets that you epoxy and then wingnut and these. I want to do it right once and be done. It all comes today so I'm planning on working on it tomorrow.
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