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Tree ID help (update I think I killed it / maybe not)

Posted on 4/30/20 at 7:13 pm
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 7:13 pm
I have a few of these in the drainage easement behind my lot. Are they Bay Laurels?


This post was edited on 11/15/20 at 4:20 pm
Posted by yattan
Member since Nov 2013
897 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 7:30 pm to
Hard to see, but if the branching appears to be opposite and not alternate, it would be an ash variable. Also, put your fingernail into the bark, if it feels kind of “corky”, then it’s an ash.
Posted by yattan
Member since Nov 2013
897 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 7:32 pm to
Oh yeah, if it’s a bay, the leaves will have a distinct smell.
Posted by Goldbondage
Member since Mar 2020
694 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 7:34 pm to
Appears to be. Send a closeup of a leaf, and pull that muscadine out.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 7:40 pm to
Looks like sweet bay magnolia - but I’ve been wrong already once today on a tree iD. Are they producing any small white flowers with a bit off a lemon smell?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 8:16 pm to
What vine is that up in it? Muscadine?
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13477 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 8:22 pm to
I have no idea. Thanks for the interest folks. I’ll get back there tomorrow and look at the branches and take a close up pick of the leaves.

I’ll check on the vine too.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/30/20 at 8:34 pm to
the vine is a a muscadine
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
793 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 9:18 pm to
Agree with sweetbay magnolia, Magnolia virginiana. Undersides of the leaves will be silvery. Ours here in FL Panhandle bloomed a couple of weeks ago.

The vine (Vitus rotundifolia, aka muscadine or scuppernong) isn't going to hurt anything...no need to bother with it. Provides colorful fall foliage and the birds will feast on the fruit.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 4/30/20 at 9:42 pm to
I had to rip my muscadine out. It was getting into my oak trees and choking them out.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13477 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:47 am to
Here’s a close up of the leaves. I haven’t seen any flowers yet.


Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:57 am to
I’m almost certain that is sweet bay magnolia - given the sliverish green underside of the leaf. It’s quite attractive when the wind blows and you see the underside of those silverfish green moving around. Sweetbay magnolia is a native tree, and is a Louisiana Superplant. LINK

I have 2 I planted 3 years ago to replace a couple River Birches that had finally reached an age where they began to look bad and were in poor health.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:10 am to
Definitely looks like sweet bay magnolia.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13477 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:28 am to
How do y’all think it would do if I transplanted it to my yard? There are several 8-10 ft ones I could move.

Does it take a few years for them to blossom? I just never noticed the white flowers.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:38 am to
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How do y’all think it would do if I transplanted it to my yard?

they are sensitive (like all evergreens) to transplant shock. you certainly could give it a try, get some help though because you'll want to get as much of the root ball as you can

when i lived in mandeville there dozens of small ones all up in the woods behind me but i never could get one to take after i dug them up
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:47 am to
quote:

How do y’all think it would do if I transplanted it to my yard? There are several 8-10 ft ones I could move.

Does it take a few years for them to blossom? I just never noticed the white flowers.

You could give it a try if they they are that small, but I would wait until the winter to do it. But what I would now would pick out the ones I wanted to move and go to them cut a circular pattern with a shovel around them of a sufficient root ball dia (what they do on tree farms for ball & burlaped trees). That’s largely to impair continued root growth this summer and make it easier to remove them and transplant them in the winter.

If the trees are that small, they may be too young to flower. But the flowers are pretty small and really don’t stand out like on southern magnolias, so if you’re not looking for them they are easy to miss.

My two sweetbay magnolias were 30 gal container plants about 10 to 12 ft tall when I bought them, they are easily 20 to 25 feet tall now, 3 years later.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13477 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 12:41 pm to
Thanks for your help everyone. I’ll work on picking one to move and do it later this year. Our backyard is empty and plan on landscaping it this fall/early winter.
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13477 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 4:38 pm to
Ok so I got over zealous and picked a small one 7-8 ft to move four weeks ago. I got all of the root ball and transplanted it to my back yard. I watered daily for the first two weeks then every other day after that.

Two days ago the leaves started yellowing and today they are all brown. Is it done for? Is there a chance it could come back in the spring?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5266 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 5:47 pm to
quote:

Two days ago the leaves started yellowing and today they are all brown. Is it done for? Is there a chance it could come back in the spring?


Maybe not, sounds like transplant shock. What you need to do is lightly scratch back the bark in locations along limbs and the trunk and if you see green underneath the bark (cambium layer) the tree is alive. Now you may lose some branches between now and spring because you removed so much of the root ball but that would be expected. Just keep checking it every now and then until spring. Cut back on your watering - maybe once per week max in the absence of rain.

Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13477 posts
Posted on 11/10/20 at 6:44 pm to
Thanks. I’ll give it a look tomorrow. Hopefully it makes it. I really like the tree. If not I guess I’ll go hunt down another and try again.
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