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re: More heat in house from west facing windows or poor attic insulation?

Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:22 pm to
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I've wondered about this as well. In particular the duct work. Is there any condensation concerns by burying the ducts assuming they are sealed and insulated?


I'm not a residential HVAC expert but in my area (kansas city/midwest), attic ductwork is insulated specifically to prevent condensation in the attic. If it isn't insulated, you get water everywhere in the attic.
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:40 pm to
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What is the return air setup like in that room? Do you have low wall or high wall returns (if any)?


no return in the room. large ceiling return in hallway just outside br door
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16652 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:45 pm to
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like everyone my hvac is struggling on these hundred degree days and i know i have poor attic insulation (will be handled this winter). I'm wondering how much is a double west facing window with porous blinds actually heating my house? I'm trying to decide if its worth blacking out these windows for better hvac efficiency or if my problem is mainly from the poor attic insulation. I will say that bedroom is usually the hottest room in the house.


I spent about $80 and an hour this spring adding window tint to the two windows in our master bedroom that face northwest. It has really helped keep that room cooler. It will still always be the warmest room in the house, as it has 3 walls that face outside and is the furthest from the A/C. But it has been a noticeable difference this summer versus previous years.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5604 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:36 pm to
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I've wondered about this as well. In particular the duct work. Is there any condensation concerns by burying the ducts assuming they are sealed and insulated?


Though it’s is common to bury insulated ducts in loose insulation in dry climates there is a risk of potential condensation and ceiling damage in doing it in humid climates - this article explains why

Buried Ducts Risk Condensation in Humid Climates
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 2:38 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20095 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:43 pm to
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no return in the room. large ceiling return in hallway just outside br door


Improving the return path will help if the room only does poorly with the door shut.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5604 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:52 pm to
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My situation: House is 32 years old. Brand new 5 ton, 19 SEER variable speed unit. How beneficial would it be to ADD blown in insulation deep enough to cover ductwork, can lights, etc, or is that even allowable/ up to code?


Blown in insulation settles over time, loosing reducing the R factor and you probably, like me, have R-30, minimum required by code at that time. I plan to add additional blown in insulation to my 30 year old home this fall to bring it up to R-38/40 after sealing the attic penetrations (electrical wiring, plumbing vents, ceiling plates, etc.).

There is a risk of burying ducts in loose insulation in humid climates LINK. Light figures can be buried if rated for this, and if not, they can be covered and sealed from the attic side and insulation placed over the cover.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
6578 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:24 pm to
Thanks CrawDude. That makes a lot of sense. If I read part two correctly, as long as you have the ducts at R8 plus a total of R19 blown in above/below it should pass code and be OK? It does seem like IF you isolate/insulate the duct well enough, the dew point of the attic air would be moot.

Posted by Harlan County USA
Member since Sep 2021
679 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:57 pm to
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More heat in house from west facing windows or poor attic insulation?
or no wall insulation.

I'll leave the AC responses to the experts.

In almost every one of these "ac struggling" posts, I never see anyone mention wall insulation, it's always attic insulation, radiant barrier, duct, tonnage, seer, etc. Your walls heat up too especially if they're brick.

I would check to see if you have any wall insulation by cutting a small hole in each room on the outside walls of the house. My first house in B'ham, a ranch built in the 60's did not have wall insulation. The builders back then must've thought the brick exterior or brown board backing was sufficient. I ended up tearing out drywall so I could insulate the walls. It made a big difference. I also replaced the old wood windows with new Pella energy windows myself.

Use a Flir IR camera to see exactly where the heat is transferring to the inside of your home. I'd start there first if you ask me. I've used one here and it's wild to see the hotspots on camera.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 4:02 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20095 posts
Posted on 8/2/23 at 4:14 pm to
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Blown in insulation settles over time, loosing reducing the R factor


Settling will improve the R-factor of blown fiberglass and cellulose insulation. It also reduces infiltration.
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 4:15 pm
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