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Installing a smart thermostat

Posted on 7/23/23 at 9:59 am
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1535 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 9:59 am
So I'm trying to replace my nest thermostat with a newer ecobee. First time I tried, stupidly didn't turn off breaker and blew control board fuse. Second time I killer power to ac at breaker, but somehow the wire still made an arc and blew same fuse. Not sure how the wire was able to arc with the AC breaker off. I know I'm stupid. Just wondering if you guys have any ideas/suggestions...
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16461 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:05 am to
Which “AC breaker” did you turn off. The AC’s outdoor unit is 220 and will be on a different circuit than the air handler in the attic which is 110. The thermostat is powered by the 110 air handler circuit
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1535 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:09 am to
Hmmmmmmm......sounds like that was my exact problem. Didn't realize that. Any easy way to tell which breaker the air handler is on? My panel isn't "completely" labeled.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16461 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:17 am to
Go in the attic and unplug your air handler. It should be a regular 110 outlet plug.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5267 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

Go in the attic and unplug your air handler. It should be a regular 110 outlet plug.

That, or sometimes they’ll have a toggle (“light”) switch if can flip off/on, but ultimately you’ll want to find the 120 circuit breaker for your furnace/air handler in the breaker panel and label that.
This post was edited on 7/23/23 at 3:02 pm
Posted by Cajun Invasion
Abbeville, Louisianna
Member since Jan 2012
1799 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 2:07 pm to
Only gas air handlers are 110 volts.
If you have electric heat it will be 220 volt, 2 pole breaker. Sometimes the air handler is 2 breakers, likely a 60 amp and 30 amp 2 pole. Or 1 60 amp
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 6:07 pm to
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Only gas air handlers


Furnaces
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
5749 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:09 pm to
Sometimes the power for the control circuit is fed by its own 110V power source
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
5749 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

air handler in the attic which is 110.

Not all of them are like. My HVAC system has a 220V breaker for the outside unit and another 220V breaker for the air handler. If you know how to read a schematic it will show you what voltages are being used. My unit has a step down transformer that is 220 input and 24V output. And that is what powers the control circuit for my unit
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 10:08 pm to
quote:

My unit has a step down transformer that is 220 input and 24V output. And that is what powers the control circuit for my unit


Unless the system is very old, the control system will always be 24V, otherwise the wiring to the thermostat would need to be much heavier gauge. The CPT (control power transformer) will be in the furnace in the attic. You can find the small thermostat wire coming out of the furnace and going through your attic and down the wall to thermostat. It will be a brown wire with either 5 or 6 #18 conductors/wires inside. The 24V power to the thermostat is usually the blue wire unless your HVAC installer did something different.

As others suggested, simplest thing is to unplug the furnace in the attic. If you want to chase down the breaker that’s fine too but will take longer.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22780 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 2:32 am to
Just wait for a power outage. duh
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10145 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 3:51 am to
quote:

Any easy way to tell which breaker the air handler is on?

Turn the thermostat down until the unit cycles on then flip breakers one at a time until it goes off.

If you have a register in the same room as the breaker panel you should hear/feel it when to goes off.
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:38 am to
quote:

Not all of them are like. My HVAC system has a 220V breaker for the outside unit and another 220V breaker for the air handler. If you know how to read a schematic it will show you what voltages are being used. My unit has a step down transformer that is 220 input and 24V output. And that is what powers the control circuit for my unit


Thats how they all work. Gas Furnaces are 120 volt.
Posted by EF Hutton
Member since Jan 2018
2366 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 4:40 am to
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Turn the thermostat down until the unit cycles on then flip breakers one at a time until it goes off. If you have a register in the same room as the breaker panel you should hear/feel it when to goes off.


If you have a quiet system, then throw a small layer of toilet paper onto the return air grille. When the fan quits, the paper will fall off .
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