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Grass/ground cover suggestion for yard with huge Oak trees...

Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted by MizunoDude
Member since May 2020
725 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:09 pm
What if anything can be done to get a yard to enjoy with a canopy of Oaks. Tired of all the dust. I live in Mandeville if that matters.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:26 pm to
first thing would be to cut the tree limbs as high above the ground as possible. If you can cut them up so that nothing hangs below 10', great. if you can get full clearance higher than that go for it.

second you need to make sure you have quite a bit of topsoil above the roots. Ideally you want 8"+ between top of roots and top of soil.

After that, try and find the most shade tolerant grass type for your region. If you are way down south you have a few options.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:31 pm to
Zoysia might be the first place to look for a warm season shade tolerant grass.
Posted by MizunoDude
Member since May 2020
725 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:42 pm to
I had a Zoysia lawn in Nashville but didn't think it would be a go here in Southern Louisiana.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 1:55 pm to
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I had a Zoysia lawn in Nashville but didn't think it would be a go here in Southern Louisiana.


Why not? It is a warm season grass that has cultivars that do fine with shade.
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
3921 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 2:40 pm to
My old yard with dense pecans has dwarf mondograss. It's super dark green and can be mowed like grass (but much less frequently).
Posted by FLOtiger
Member since Nov 2020
150 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 6:34 pm to
Minima jasmine or (dwarf) mondo for ground cover.
Possibly BitterBlue St Augustine if you have some sunlight and can thin up the trees.
If the roots are up and out of the ground at the trunk, just make a bed of shade plants that will hide the roots.
No grass/sod is going to do well in heavy shade without extra attention & care.
Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
6011 posts
Posted on 11/23/20 at 7:52 pm to
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second you need to make sure you have quite a bit of topsoil above the roots. Ideally you want 8"+ between top of roots and top of soil.


Do this if you want to kill the oak trees... oak roots need to breathe.
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3266 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:38 am to
I keep my limbs up and never put any kind of herbicide under there. I let grow what will grow and keep it mowed about 3”. It’s not a golf course but it’s better than dirt.

ETA and from the road, a blind man can’t tell what’s growing. It just looks green and manicured.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 8:39 am
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 8:56 am to
quote:

Do this if you want to kill the oak trees... oak roots need to breathe.


That is only true for specific types of oaks generally found in the western areas of the country. The majority of oaks will be fine.

But it is a requirement (4" bare minimum) if the goal is to grow grass under the canopy. If not, then no grass which was the original question.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 8:57 am
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31735 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 10:52 am to
get the canopy of the oak lifted and thinned out to allow more sunlight.

you won't get grass all the way up to the roots. Leave about an 8' radius from the trunk as mulch area and then if sunlight permits, plant some palisade zoysia. if its heavy shade, super blue liriope until you have enough light for sod
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1761 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:23 pm to
I put a couple inches of mulch (left over from some stump grinding activities) around a 15” red oak in my yard last year. It may have killed it. I raked it away when it was clear that the tree was in trouble. It’s not looking great but may survive.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 12:33 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

I put a couple inches of mulch from some ground stumps around a 15” red oak in my yard last year. It may have killed it. I raked it away when it was clear that the tree was in trouble. It’s not looking great but may survive.


Was the mulch up to the tree? Oddly when you put mulch around an oak that tends to be a good thing but you cannot put it up to the tree itself The mulch needs to stop before it touches the collar/bark of the oak.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1761 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:37 pm to
It was left about 6 inches from contacting the trunk. And this was a thin layer. I was shocked by the response. No roots are on top of the ground.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

It was left about 6 inches from contacting the trunk. And this was a thin layer. I was shocked by the response. No roots are on top of the ground.


Sounds like something toxic or diseased might have been in the mulch then.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13905 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

That is only true for specific types of oaks generally found in the western areas of the country. The majority of oaks will be fine.
bad advice bro.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1761 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:37 pm to
Maybe. Like I said, I just raked it out away from the tree to a layer that isn’t even solid anymore. All mulch is still under the crown, but the tree has leafed back out.

ETA: I put this same mulch around young sapling redbuds in tree tubes and they’re doing fantastic.
This post was edited on 11/24/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 1:47 pm to
quote:

bad advice bro.


bad advice? I know it works. I have done it multiple times.

If you don't believe me then here is a nice article including links to university studies specifically about oaks: LINK

Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:18 pm to
Large shade beds is the best option. More expensive upfront, but will be cheaper in the long run since there is no turfgrass that grows well in dense shade without needing to reseed/resod yearly, no matter how shade-tolerant the variety is.
Posted by DomincDecoco
of no fixed abode
Member since Oct 2018
10882 posts
Posted on 11/24/20 at 4:32 pm to
i had heard NEVER to cover an existing oaks roots, especially live oaks

but

if it was a new planting, it could work

also, never drive trucks or machinery over live oak roots

This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 8:37 am
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