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AFM/DOD Delete - 2014-2019 GM SUVs (*UPDATE - OB post*)

Posted on 1/21/24 at 8:26 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 8:26 pm
Has anyone here installed a full AFM/DOD delete, not just the electronic disabling of the system? I'll be calling around some local places tomorrow to see if they have any they advise and what brand of kit they'd suggest. I also think I may be able to get a slightly more aggressive cam with the swap since the factory cam can't be used without the AFM/DOD system.

For context and those that don't know, the AFM/DOD is active fuel management / displacement on demand, which is the 4 cylinder mode that GM small block V8s (LSX and LTX motors) utilize to increase fuel mileage for specific states. Needless to say, if not for the state of California, these motors would be far simpler and more reliable but since CA is in the United States, they drag us down.

I'll be buying a used Suburban or Yukon XL in the coming months and this will be the first work I get done. Here's one example but there are plenty out there:

https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/20852/10002/-1

UPDATE: Made a full post on the OB since I didn't know exactly where this fits LINK
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 10:22 pm
Posted by mingoswamp
St. Louis
Member since Aug 2017
968 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 9:16 pm to
As someone who recently had to replace my 2015 Silverado transmission at 100K miles, you may also want to look into bullet proofing a 6L80E transmission while you're at it.

So far, so good on the engine, tranny not so much!
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
1951 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 10:21 pm to
I changed the lifters and installed a range disabler device. delete is much harder and you have to have access to a programmer.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
12964 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:21 pm to
nvm i was linking a Range AFM disabler. you are trying to remove it entirely.
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 11:23 pm
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
1139 posts
Posted on 1/21/24 at 11:35 pm to
quote:

AFM/DOD



Would be interesting to see if someone could figure how much money this lame technology has cost car owners across all makes since they started implementing it.


Wish I could help more with the question though. My trusty mechanic just says to not mess with a delete and half your oil change interval. Claims extended oil changes are the cause of most failed DOD systems. Something to consider when shopping a used vehicle with higher mileage anyway.

Even still, if I had a vehicle that had it, I'd be looking to get it eliminated.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 8:25 am to
quote:

you may also want to look into bullet proofing a 6L80E transmission while you're at it.


My 2010 Yukon Denali is still on the factory 6L80 and it will only slip a bit when it’s ice cold and hasn’t warmed up yet. I had it tuned when my L94 dropped a DOD lifter at 99k miles and I had AFM/DOD disabled electronically (and still running strong). When I do the full delete I will definitely have them tune the transmission as well. From what I hear it’s a lot less stress on the tranny when it shifts with authority between gears. My 6L80 has 175k miles and 13 years on it so I’d say that alone means it’s worth it.

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Would be interesting to see if someone could figure how much money this lame technology has cost car owners across all makes since they started implementing it


Agreed. The whole system took a relatively simple motor and added a layer of complexity that isn’t needed. The older LS-style motors from 99-06 were simple and bulletproof. Should’ve left it alone.

I’ll be calling a few local shops today to see what they suggest as far as the kit and estimated cost. I imagine it’ll be about $2-3k for the shop and $1k for the kit (with a cam). I’ll keep y’all updated.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 8:27 am
Posted by mingoswamp
St. Louis
Member since Aug 2017
968 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:00 am to
I'd be interested in your progress
Posted by southern686
Narnia
Member since Nov 2015
883 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 9:34 am to
Look into Brian Tooley Racing (BTR).
They have customizable kits for this and solid products. If you're unsure on what you need, just give them a call. They are extremely helpful.
Posted by Fachie
Magnolia
Member since Mar 2017
449 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:17 am to
Have run their cams in several Jeep LS swaps. Quality stuff and very helpful/knowledgeable.
Posted by jake wade
North LA
Member since Oct 2007
1658 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:35 am to
Total delete is the best way to go but, very costly if you are farming out the work. The cylinder heads and front of engine have to come off.
I would have that function tuned out and change oil regularly.
Now, if you buy a DOD vehicle that has a cam/lifter failure, it makes sense to do the complete delete kit.
Many places have delete kits if you choose to go that way.
Texas speed, Brain Tooley to name a couple.
Posted by TheLSUriot
Clear Lake, TX
Member since Oct 2007
1502 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:57 am to
It is a $4-5k job to upgrade to solid lifters with cam install.
I'm looking into this because my GM 6.2L has valve chatter at startup. DOD is not active but I guess a hydraulic lifters collapsed anyway. Good luck finding a shop that will pull the heads. No normal shop around here will even take the job including local dealerships. To get it done I will have to send my Escalade to the same speed shops that worked on my LS F-bodies 10 years ago, which I find ironic.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

Total delete is the best way to go but, very costly if you are farming out the work. The cylinder heads and front of engine have to come off. I would have that function tuned out and change oil regularly.


I talked to a guy that runs a small shop in Denham Springs called Madd Monkey Garage. He said they just pull the motor to do the work and he estimated the quote at $3k. So a kit plus a cam is about $1k so $4k plus programming/tune sounds pretty decent.

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It is a $4-5k job to upgrade to solid lifters with cam install.


Why would I need solid lifters? I wasn’t planning on going full blown popcorn on the cam, maybe just slightly more aggressive than factory. The kit comes with LS7 type hydraulic roller lifters.
Posted by TheLSUriot
Clear Lake, TX
Member since Oct 2007
1502 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:41 pm to
Was just relaying my quote. Solid roller lifters certainly aren't needed in a normal truck. I'm sure LS7 lifters would be a fine upgrade.
Posted by jake wade
North LA
Member since Oct 2007
1658 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 4:19 am to
Not a bad investment at all considering the price of new nowadays, assuming the vehicle is clean and been cared for.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:31 am to
quote:

I'm sure LS7 lifters would be a fine upgrade.


Agreed. I’m hoping sticking with a more basic backbone for the engine will extend longevity. Outside of the AFM/DOD system the motor is pretty simple although I know the LT motors went to direct injection from the LS motors. I’ll probably add in an oil catch can.

quote:

To get it done I will have to send my Escalade to the same speed shops that worked on my LS F-bodies 10 years ago, which I find ironic.


I got a quote back from a speed shop in BR for $8700 . I guess they’re used to modifying and dyno tuning and they probably don’t feel like messing with an SUV.
Posted by bigbuckdj
Member since Sep 2011
1830 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:22 am to
quote:

My trusty mechanic just says to not mess with a delete and half your oil change interval. Claims extended oil changes are the cause of most failed DOD systems.


I just traded in my 2011 Silverado with 240k that was running without any issues. My mechanic said the same. I started changing the oil at 5k instead of watching the computer which put me over 10k a few times. I also got a Diablo tuner to stop the v8-v4 swap, read codes, and up my shift firmness. Supposedly the 6l80 stock programming was hard on torque converters and that helps. I had the programmer on from 100k forward.

They did ruin one of the best engines available when they did all this, but they were only reacting to all the government efficiency stuff being put out for automakers. I previously had a 2000 Silverado that also ran to 240k without issues, two great trucks that never left me stranded.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 8:59 pm to
******UPDATE*******

I purchased a 2018 Yukon Denali with 96k miles on it. In great shape and has 420HP with a 10 speed auto transmission - it is FAST!

I went back and forth on whether to do a stock cam profile or a stage 1 cam. I figure if I'm swapping the cam I might as well try and get a power bump. After calling Brian Tooley Racing, they suggested the stock cam profile for the AFM/DOD delete if I was not planning on modifying anything else. They said a set of headers with a stage 1 or 2 cam would give some extra gains but this is a family vehicle so the wife doesn't wanna go too hardcore on it . They did tell me the new standard cam can handle a slightly more aggressive tune since it uses non-DOD lifters. I might get a slight power bump but nothing overly dramatic.

I ended up with this kit from AMS Racing (in Bossier City) LINK. I ordered it with the Chevrolet performance lifters as they suggested those for the best reliability compared to the other aftermarket ones. I also can retain my factory valve springs since I'm not stepping up to a more aggressive cam.



I debated doing just a standard tuner to turn off V4 but talking to the tech at BTR, he said it's simply a matter of time when one of those DOD lifters will fail and it can happen pretty much at any time. So hopefully I can get plenty of years out of this vehicle with simpler engine

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I also got a Diablo tuner to stop the v8-v4 swap, read codes, and up my shift firmness. Supposedly the 6l80 stock programming was hard on torque converters and that helps. I had the programmer on from 100k forward.


I got 175k miles out of my 2010 Yukon Denali with this setup but in hindsight probably should have done the full delete. Then again I didn't have a failure so maybe I'm crazy .
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11878 posts
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:49 pm to
Bump. Update in OP
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