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Waist circumference
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:39 pm
What's the best way to measure? Been doing around naval , flexed but not suckin in once a week for tracking.
That bmi thread on the ot got me thinking, do u guys track waist, and if so, what's ur technique
That bmi thread on the ot got me thinking, do u guys track waist, and if so, what's ur technique
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:18 pm to lofty
It’s like any other body fat/weight metric and it’s mostly important to be consistent how you do it and use it to monitor trends rather than being useful as an absolute measurement. I measure waist and neck once a week after I wake up, pee and weigh. I don’t flex my abs, but I measure relaxed not sucking anything in right at the navel, and I try to keep the tape measure loose enough that if I were giving that measurement to a tailor then I would be comfortable wearing those pants.
Btw that OT thread is wild; I’m 5’11” 200 lbs and 14% body fat via navy (34” waist). My Fitbit scale says 15% for whatever that’s worth. I do need to lose another 10-12lbs, but at 170-175lbs lean I don’t have that much more to go. However, I’d be one of the highest BMI people in that thread at like 28. I can only assume everyone in the OT has visible abs and veins popping out everywhere all the time.
Btw that OT thread is wild; I’m 5’11” 200 lbs and 14% body fat via navy (34” waist). My Fitbit scale says 15% for whatever that’s worth. I do need to lose another 10-12lbs, but at 170-175lbs lean I don’t have that much more to go. However, I’d be one of the highest BMI people in that thread at like 28. I can only assume everyone in the OT has visible abs and veins popping out everywhere all the time.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:58 pm to Canuck Tiger
BMI is a longevity health measurement not really healthy now. Muscle skews it bad
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:21 pm to lofty
Pretty much what Canuck said. Just be consistent. I find first thing in the morning, pee, weigh, measure around naval relaxed.
I like naval cause it allows me to be consistent with the area I'm measuring.
I like naval cause it allows me to be consistent with the area I'm measuring.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 7:51 am to lofty
You’re not a real man if you wear less than a 38 waist
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:17 am to el Gaucho
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You’re not a real man if you wear less than a 38 waist
:Mouton:
Posted on 8/20/22 at 10:22 am to el Gaucho
Mingo is gonna explode if he sees this.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:04 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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BMI is a longevity health measurement not really healthy now. Muscle skews it bad
Can you elaborate? BMI is an indicator on how long you'll live?
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:12 am to Seen
I think waist to height ratio is a lot better indicator of longer term health issues than BMI.
Having said that, people tend to interpret “BMI isn’t accurate for extremely muscular and athletic people” as “I lift weights sometimes so I’m not fat as frick at 30BMI”. When what that means is you might not be overweight at 26 BMI.
It is harder to ignore that optimal fitness for a 6’ person is a 36” waist or less. You still run into the issue of people cheating the tape measure though…
Having said that, people tend to interpret “BMI isn’t accurate for extremely muscular and athletic people” as “I lift weights sometimes so I’m not fat as frick at 30BMI”. When what that means is you might not be overweight at 26 BMI.
It is harder to ignore that optimal fitness for a 6’ person is a 36” waist or less. You still run into the issue of people cheating the tape measure though…
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 11:14 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:16 am to Canuck Tiger
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I think waist to height ratio is a lot better indicator of longer term health issues than BMI.
Sorry for my ignorance but how do you come up with a waist to height ratio? Or what range is considered good? TIA
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:49 am to Seen
https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/waist-height-ratio
Practically speaking you want waist/height to be close to 0.5; if your waist measurement (NOT your pants size those have been inflated in US) gets too far above that is an indication you’re carrying around extra abdominal fat that corresponds to higher risks heart disease.
Here’s a chart:
Practically speaking you want waist/height to be close to 0.5; if your waist measurement (NOT your pants size those have been inflated in US) gets too far above that is an indication you’re carrying around extra abdominal fat that corresponds to higher risks heart disease.
Here’s a chart:
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 11:54 am
Posted on 8/20/22 at 11:55 am to Canuck Tiger
I appreciate your information
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:23 pm to Seen
Also it’s not like this is a perfect solution either btw. I think all these measurements are imperfect and show trends. But in 2021-22 for example I went from ~28% bf and 215lbs to ~18% and 208 lbs by lifting weights heavy 5x a week, doing 30 mins of fasted cardio every am, and making sure to get my protein needs and recomping. I had never lifted weights before in my life, and I gained prolly20lbs lean mass in 15 months. My BMI was barely different, but my waist went from 41” to 36”. And the mirror showed the difference obviously
Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:03 pm to Seen
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Can you elaborate? BMI is an indicator on how long you'll live?
More you weigh, harder it is on the body. Muscle is great but it adds pounds. It’s just a metric to use and doesn’t account for everything. A low bmi person could have terrible cardio health while a 200lb 6’0 person could run all day. The 200lbs will subtract from longevity but the increased fitness will add to longevity.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:30 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Muscle skews it bad
True, but you can't say that on the OT. It sends them into a rage.
ETA: I should add that just using a heightXweight BMI calculator is a horrible way to measure BMI. Calipers or DEXA scan are more accurate.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 10:34 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:56 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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More you weigh, harder it is on the body. Muscle is great but it adds pounds. It’s just a metric to use and doesn’t account for everything. A low bmi person could have terrible cardio health while a 200lb 6’0 person could run all day. The 200lbs will subtract from longevity but the increased fitness will add to longevity.
not true for muscle. bodyfat percentage is a much bigger factor and there are no studies showing highly muscled individuals corolate to shorter life spans or that high amounts of SMM contribute negatively in anyway to all cause mortaility. Actually all the studies show opposite.
i got in to the same arguement with the doctors at barbell medicine when i made same claim as you. they challenged me to find any study at all that shows that....there arent any
needless to say i lost
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:01 am to boxcarbarney
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True, but you can't say that on the OT. It sends them into a rage.
ETA: I should add that just using a heightXweight BMI calculator is a horrible way to measure BMI. Calipers or DEXA scan are more accurate.
BMI isnt a bodyfat test its a way to measure large groups of people
now with that said i do agree with dexa being better etc but you have to understand...i have seen your lifts, you arent the average for your age. of course large amounts of muscle skew BMI and bmi doesnt work for those individuals.
I have posted this before but some of yall have to learn to see the forest from the trees. less than 10% of the population in the US performs regular resistance training(i.e. 2 or more times a week) and resistance trainng can be any form of calisthenics, weightlifting etc
if less than 10% do any form, how many do you think are actually training with enough frequency, volume, intensity and eating correctly to add substantial amounts of muscle enough to skew BMI?? maybe half if being generous.
So BMI works for what...95% of the population.of course it doesnt work for the guy who is 5'10 200lbs and has a 6 pack, but it sure as works for the ones who are 6' 260 and claim it doesnt work for them because they are barrel chested and have a wrestlers build....yet when they post pics..they have man titties and a huge gut.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:29 am to lsu777
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there arent any
Nice. Now I can go back to my regularly scheduled program of arguing with doctors. Sweet.
I switched the way I was thinking about BMI to the current versions by the whole weight with muscle mass. Sounded like a solid argument that made sense so I ran with it.
Now saying there is no evidence or study doesn’t mean not true. Maybe there just hasn’t been a study to show an excess amount of muscle to make the BMI go to overweight category causes decreased heart efficiency. Same time though, a year or two lost from muscle weight but added 5 years from exercising is still a positive of 3 years.
I’ve been reading that muscle mass is a better indicator than BMI. Don’t know if that’s just exercising helps and muscle is a by-product or that the muscle itself helps.
Got a lot of random thoughts in this response haha
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:30 am to lsu777
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guy who is 5'10 200lbs and has a 6 pack
My name is HFP, not guy
Posted on 8/22/22 at 11:44 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Nice. Now I can go back to my regularly scheduled program of arguing with doctors. Sweet.
I switched the way I was thinking about BMI to the current versions by the whole weight with muscle mass. Sounded like a solid argument that made sense so I ran with it.
well it makes sense that your heart would have to work harder or just as hard to supply blood flow but for reasons i cant understand, the studies show the opposite.
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Now saying there is no evidence or study doesn’t mean not true. Maybe there just hasn’t been a study to show an excess amount of muscle to make the BMI go to overweight category causes decreased heart efficiency. Same time though, a year or two lost from muscle weight but added 5 years from exercising is still a positive of 3 years.
absolutely
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I’ve been reading that muscle mass is a better indicator than BMI. Don’t know if that’s just exercising helps and muscle is a by-product or that the muscle itself helps.
overall it is, but as explained above, so few people lift that very very few skew results. its why things like being able to do 5 pullups are so good of indicators of all cause mortality.
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My name is HFP, not guy
ha, you wish. i beleive it was bayouvette
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