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re: Strength Training beats cardio for Health & fat loss- new study

Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:00 am to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:00 am to
STRENGTH TRAINING doesnt just make you harder to kill…

32% lower risk of type 2 diabetes
31% lower risk of dying from cancer
24% lower risk of falling in adults
17% lower risk of heart disease
21% lower risk of all causes of mortality

Strength train an hour 2 times/week is all that is needed to get these benefits

do that and do zone 2 cardio 2x for 30min per week and walk 10k steps a day

and you are better off than 99.5% of the population
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:05 am to
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24% lower risk of falling in adults


Basically a death sentence if you’re older than 70.

Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1282 posts
Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:25 am to
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One was a seminar where he was advocating for 100 rep leg workouts


I'm assuming "leg" includes quads and hamstrings. Below is what PHAT has:

Power day - 79 reps quads/hams. Doesn't include the 50 calves reps

Hypertrophy - 242 reps quads/hams. Doesn't include the 120 calf reps

All of that is the upper range of the rep targets. You could drop 10% of the above listed reps if you were on the lower end. It's a hell of a lot.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 6/7/24 at 10:34 am to
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I'm assuming "leg" includes quads and hamstrings


From what I gathered he was talking about:

For quads:

Either one 100 rep set or two 50 rep sets

For hamstrings:

Either one 100 rep set or two 50 rep sets

For calves:

Either one 100 rep set or two 50 rep sets

This was all in one workout.

He mentioned using 'machines' for this not free weights. 60 second rest between sets if doing two. Dude was eccentric for sure and marched to the beat of his own drum it was his way or the highway if you trained at his facility

He also told a story of flying Arnold to Florida and upon meeting him saying "you look like a soft fat arse"
This post was edited on 6/7/24 at 10:40 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95669 posts
Posted on 6/8/24 at 3:06 pm to
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now im not saying dont do cardio


Without a doubt, cardio is important for things like balancing out sedentary work or lifestyle activities, longevity and all that. Cardio is very important.

quote:

just showing that the best bang for your buck exercise wise is strength training


It isn't just this new study - as you know, the science going back for some time (decades) that you invest the time and effort in making strength gains and they persist for months and months after the training plateaus, backs off or even ceases. It is a true "investment" and building block, as opposed to cardio which is mostly maintenance, especially below athletic thresholds. Obviously, cardio can be an investment in longevity (although more and more research shows strength might even be better for longevity, adding to the "bang for buck" proposition).

You stop doing cardio, you'll notice in a week or two. Stop lifting? You might not notice for more than a month and you'll hold those gains (at least high percentages of them) for much longer.

If you had to choose for quality of life, you would lift and try to stay as active as possible versus doing lots of structured cardio, but no lifting.
This post was edited on 6/8/24 at 3:10 pm
Posted by Volt
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:02 pm to
My clinical research project/paper for my Master's in Nursing was on the effects that resistance training had on lowering Hemoglobin A1C in type 2 diabetics.

The primary resource I used for the project/paper was a recently published research study that Pennington performed.

Resistance training is more effective than aerobic by itself in lower A1C. Of course, there's the added benefits of increased strength, balance, and, therefore, safety. Of course my project was geared toward the older folks.

Too often patient providers discuss walking with their patients when I believe we should focus on resistance training.
Posted by Volt
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/8/24 at 5:04 pm to
After posting, I then read the 2023 conclusion in your second OP.

Good to see that current research is getting the same results.

Thanks for sharing this.

This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 6:37 pm
Posted by tomcatrav
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
492 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 6:17 am to
Interesting study, but IMO this study doesn’t mean much for the general population.

Asian, sarcopenic, type 2 diabetic men are a pretty select group of people with a fairly unique mix of problems.

Also the “minute for minute” concept hasn’t been discussed yet and I couldn’t find it in the abstract and couldn’t open the article itself.

30 min of running = 30 minutes of cardio
30 minutes of CrossFit = 30 minutes of resistance and cardio

How many minutes of a normal persons gym routine are actually spent lifting?
My suspicion is for the average persons 1 hour gym experience 30 minutes of it is actually spent lifting weights UNLESS it’s a class or highly organized circuit.

So if we define minute for minute as minute at the gym, my suspicion is the results might look a little different.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:07 am to
quote:

Interesting study, but IMO this study doesn’t mean much for the general population.

Asian, sarcopenic, type 2 diabetic men are a pretty select group of people with a fairly unique mix of problems.

Also the “minute for minute” concept hasn’t been discussed yet and I couldn’t find it in the abstract and couldn’t open the article itself.

30 min of running = 30 minutes of cardio
30 minutes of CrossFit = 30 minutes of resistance and cardio

How many minutes of a normal persons gym routine are actually spent lifting?
My suspicion is for the average persons 1 hour gym experience 30 minutes of it is actually spent lifting weights UNLESS it’s a class or highly organized circuit.

So if we define minute for minute as minute at the gym, my suspicion is the results might look a little different.


proper strength training, like proper speed work, involves actual proper rest, full recovery. so yea of course lifting for an hour doesnt equal lifting but about 20 min if that and either way min for min is more effective than cardio for fatloss and A1c control
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35333 posts
Posted on 6/10/24 at 10:51 pm to
Don’t need to read the study, the chicks in those pics are sufficient evidence.
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