SARMs - Anyone use them?

i mean think of them as weak(in some cases) steroids. there are a bunch of them that do different things.

most of the anabolic ones though will shut your natural testosterone production down

my opinion has always been....i dont feel its worth the long term side effects of using anything like this unless you make money from your body. most people can achieve the body and strength they want by simply being consistent and following a simple progressive overload program and proper diet.

but at the same time if you are going to use something, i would rather see you use a bioidentical hormone like testosterone starting at around 300mg/week. if you want to add something, add mk677 at 20mg/day assuming you are bulking.

if you are cutting, that is different and you really shouldnt need anything. just diet and consistency.

SARMs and steroids are pretty much one in the same. You do damage to your natural test production with either one.

Question, how good was the OTC stuff that Mark McGwire had in his locker. I think it was Andro or something like that.

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He wasn't using that. He was using it as a cover for what he was really using. Nothing can replace actual Anabolics or Androgens. Guys like Patrick Arnold were able to skirt around the rules and make otc products that would 'convert' to something in the body and even then they were crap. Just get the real thing. I got out of the game before SARMS were mainstream so can't comment on those. Seems to be a ton of them out there.

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you are right and wrong.

he was using anabolics but even he wasnt and was using what was in the locker

1) the original 4-andro was a 1 step conversion not a 3 or 4 step like the products are now. OG 4-andro could get you to the same test levels as taking shots of test. plenty of people were getting bloodwork with 5-6k total test levels. Unfortunate it got banned as it worked well as a oral test, really well

2) the second product he supposedly used was 1-andro. 1-andro was a single cleave conversion to 1-Testosterone or DHB. its an awesome steroid that causes lots of PIP after injection and is notorious for that. Designer supplements was making it as injectable at the time and many were having better gains from the 1-andro as it had intrinsic activity on its own. The 1-andro on the market today are 4 steps.

Pat has talked about it quite a bit before covid made him become a fricking lunatic.


the pro hormones back then were not really prohormones and were more just steroids that were never made commercially available so they were not on the OG 1992 ban list. Superdrol or methylated masteron is one of the strongest steroids every created...perfectly legal until like 2009 to buy on the shelf. Same with methylated 1-test (m1t).

the prohormones that were out were 1 step conversions that were easily converted or were used in a transdermal. guys got awesome results and Pat was the best at creating these products


now....shite today are totally different. but many of the sarms like lgd and rad140 are very strong but also not nearly as safe as something like injectable test.

now as far as mark goes, mark was taking steroids back in the 80s, even as far back as his USC days once he became a full time hitter/position player. Once he got to oakland he was being supplied by Jose.

did he take 4-andro...prolly in between cycles. prolly the same with 1-andro. but i dont believe that he built his size with them. plenty of others did, but he didnt.

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What about Cardarine?

Pill or nasty liquid? Which is best?

Yeah, but clomid is also extremely cheap.

you need to be careful with that man. rad is very hard on lipids and you are crashing your testosterone everytime you use rad. you need to have a testosterone base and use a proper pct which includes at least 1 serm and hcg.

Depends on goals, height weight, lifting stats age

Being 50, I would not suggest mk677. Mk is a ghrelin agonist which will cause your pituitary gland to produce growth hormone well it will make your releases much greater as it’s a ghrh. Problem is it makes you very tired and very hungry. Also makes you hold lots of water and tends to cause blood sugar levels to rise.

Great if you are a young guy needing to bulk, not for what you want. When I say it makes you hungry, I mean it makes you ravenous where you can’t get satisfied even after eating like 4000 calories. It’s crazy.

Rad or any other true sarm( yk11 is a steroid, mk677 and GW are not really sarms) unless you were taking supplements to fix and maintain healthy lipid levels

Also wouldn’t unless you were on TRT.

For your specific case, I would use GW when you need a boost for the endurance and ghrh/ghrp injectable peptides along with bpc to fix the injury

Most other things could be solved with you learning the barbell lifts and getting on a proper program. I think you would be shocked at the results to be honest.