Protein 30 mins after a workout, yay or nay?

Yes, usually 75-100g depending on what macros I have left

Yay. 1 scoop of ON gold standard 30 minutes before and another within 30 minutes after a workout (24g per scoop).

If you are taking in 300+ grams a day you are pissing a frick ton of it out.

The point of training is to be healthy. If you are only eating protein and starving your body of carbs then you're fricking yourself up. Maybe you look great but your internal regulation is probably in the gutter and you'll pay for it one day.

Now who is bro science. Want me to show you some newer studies that prove that higher protein amounts build more muscle? And if we a 200lbs male turns over right at 305g per day then please explain why most trainees wouldn't be able to handle larger protein loads especially when protein synthesis and nutrition partitioning is highest? Plus that's not how it works at all.

Second part... starving your body of carbs fricks your body up? Wtf are you talking about? As far as health goes a very low carb diet containing only green veggies is the healthiest form of diet there is, absolutely blows ball sack, but it is the healthiest.

The rapid fatloss diet forces you to eat tons of protein, green veggies and essential fats. Please explain why that is unhealthy. The unhealthy and short term part is the extreme low calories, with added fats it's essentially the perfect diet from a health perspective.


Not to be a dick but you are very uneducated on this topic and are essentially just regurgitating the 1g per pound bullshite with not a damn thing to back it up. I got studies and the people I take advice from constantly are posting and examine new studies on nutrition. Maybe you should go read leangains.com, go read fortitude training, go follow daunte trudal and read everything he post online. No offense not only do they review studies all the people I named train thousands of guys yearly and really hone in on what works and what doesn't and they all sport physiques a hell of a lot better than you and I. So I will continue to listen to them.

Firstly, you piss out the protein by product. You don't actually piss out protein but I don't feel like I needed to explain that in depth to you.

.80 to maintain
1.5 to gain

Anymore is completely unnecessary. That's not to say there aren't outliers. Not only that, but 20-30g is perfect for protein synthesis in a single serving. Any more? ... Stored. (Then pissed)

Finally, this notion that carbs are terrible for you needs to end. Too many carbs? Of course. ... But carbs are absolutely fine for recovery. Just don't eat cakes and cookies all day.

And if leangains is your source, I'm sorry. You're a bro.

I've linked to T-Nation on here but I'm well aware of what's good on there and what's bullshite. I'm not going to spout off about female gym orgasms just because I read it on T-Nation. Find one collegiate strength coach that's directing their athlete's to only eat protein and nearly no carbs and I'll never post over here again.

You won't though because carbs are essential to performance. And if you want to lift fricking heavy you better be able to perform that day.

I await your leangain links telling me to eat 80g post workout.

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Firstly, you piss out the protein by product. You don't actually piss out protein but I don't feel like I needed to explain that in depth to you.

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of course you piss it out after you use it. There are plenty of newer studies that show our bodies slows digestion of protein to make it available once we need it sometimes taking up to 12 hours to digest a large meal.

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1.5 to gain

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First off, if you are going to pull numbers from a study, atleast understand the parameters of the study and how the numbers actually relate to real world applications. I have read the study that formed the .8 and its .8 per pound of lean muscle. The study was performed with participatants eating at a minimum of maintenance calories so it doesn't apply to those that are in deep caloric deficits.

the 1.5x number is nothing more than you pulling bro science BS that you read somewhere with nothing to back it up. In both cases the numbers you put up are nothing more than you parrotting numbers that you read somewhere with no understanding of how they relate to the real world. But at 1.5x bodyweight I would be close to 300g anyways.

But if you trhink somebody cant gain on 1g per lbs while in a caloric surplus than you are wrong. Wont be as fast as possible but you can still gain very well. So again you are just parrotting numbers with no understanding of where they came from.

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Anymore is completely unnecessary. That's not to say there aren't outliers. Not only that, but 20-30g is perfect for protein synthesis in a single serving. Any more? ... Stored. (Then pissed)

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Care to proivide a study on this or anything else to back up this BS? This shite has been prioven false so many times its not funny. Instead of running your mouth about leangains.com how about you go read some of the studies he has listed. In fact if you did, you would know this is compolete BS. But keep spewing your bro science that you accused me of and keep reading Tnation.

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Finally, this notion that carbs are terrible for you needs to end. Too many carbs? Of course. ... But carbs are absolutely fine for recovery. Just don't eat cakes and cookies all day.

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Jesus your reading comprhension is bad. I never said carbs are terrible for you. In fact, I have screamed from the mountain tops when it comes to weight loss the % of carbs and fats are insignificant. But lets get one thing straight, wehn it comes to health and things like cholesterol, hdl to ldl ratio, triglycirides, resting glucose levels etc.....processed carbs and carbs in general are not good for you. Sorry they are not good for health. Do some research before running at the mouth.

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And if leangains is your source, I'm sorry. You're a bro.

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Shows how little you know or care. Leangains has hundreds of studies linked and is a great resource for research. Every single claim he makes is backed by a study. He is known for his anti bro science. As far as me being a bro/meathead...I make no qualms about it. But I am anything but dumb or typical meathead. I do have a engineering degree.

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I've linked to T-Nation on here but I'm well aware of what's good on there and what's bullshite. I'm not going to spout off about female gym orgasms just because I read it on T-Nation. Find one collegiate strength coach that's directing their athlete's to only eat protein and nearly no carbs and I'll never post over here again.

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Collegiate strength coaches not recommending low carb....well you don't fricking say. Kind of a big difference in eating for aesthetics and one for performance of a college athlete wouldn't you say. When I go zero carbs I am worried much less about performance and much more about how I look. The rapid fatloss diet is all about rapid fatloss, nothing to do with strength. But again you run your mouth without having any understanding of what is going on.

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You won't though because carbs are essential to performance. And if you want to lift fricking heavy you better be able to perform that day.

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Thats funny, I don't lose strength while on zero carbs. Sure I wont gain it as fast, nore can I handle the volume, but I don't lose it. In fact studies show once fat adapated, you can gain strength and endurance better and that is why many of the extreme runners in the world have switched to zero carbs.

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I await your leangain links telling me to eat 80g post workout.

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Go read the leangains guide. Not going to sppon feed you. DO the math, 3g per kg with 50-60% coming popstworkout. If you are eating 250-300g in a day, its easy to see the math.

again not trying to be a dickbut if you call me out for being all about bro science, you better be able to back it up with studies and factual articles, not some bullshite you pulled off of tnation or I am going to call you out on BS. I am pretty much the anti bro here when it comes to nutrition. But hey if you like looking the same year after year or what you are doing works for you, keep doing what you are doing. but if you are going to critizie others and try to call them out, you better come with good ammo.

Im done with this though, tired of arguing with somebody that isnt educated ont he topic.

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Yeah, you just crushed me with your engineering degree.

I like to be strong and feel good.

You like to be strong, eat miserably and feel like shite. And then tell everyone else to do the same.

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Did I say anything about being better than you because I have an engineering degree? was simply stating I am not some idiot.

I get the whole feel strong and feel good. adn its what I tell others to do. I have never told anybody to follow the rapid fatloss diet. I simply explained what it was. and its a short term thing for fast results.

but again as usual, you didnt retort any of my points, you simply spout off bs.

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ou can gain strength and endurance better and that is why many of the extreme runners in the world have switched to zero carbs.

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Yeah, that's not true at all. There are a couple out there about whom articles have been written, which might make you think a lot are doing it. However, the overwhelming majority of successful trail and extreme distance runners are eating carbs for sure.

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This either, a lot are also plant based

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Yeah, a lot more plant based than zero carb, no doubt