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re: On Mounjaro for two months, my take ****New Update pg 11 w photo****

Posted on 4/6/24 at 8:41 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 8:41 am to
Oh, you and Memphisguy can go frick yourselves. I never once criticized antique for doing something to get healthier. But you can tell by his response to my “goal weight” question how he ended up in this spot in the first place. Also, have you missed his descriptions of how he’s exercising and eating now? “Better” is a relative term I guess.

If people use these drugs to lose weight, that’s great. My suspicion though is that most will go right back to where they were once they stop taking these drugs. Of course, that’s probably one of the features of these drugs for the pharmaceutical industry.
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 8:50 am to
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Oh, you and Memphisguy can go frick yourselves


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suspicion though is that most will go right back to where they were once they stop taking these drugs
And like I’ve said over and over, those who take the drug without changing habits will gain it all back when discontinuing it. But believe it or not, there’s lots of people who are completely changing their habits with the help of this drug. And for those who do, their odds of keeping the weight off are really good. I don’t owe you any explanation of what it’s done for me, but my life has done a 180, and I fricking guarantee you, I’m not going back.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:12 am to
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Oh, you and Memphisguy can go frick yourselves.


About what I'd expect from you.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 10:31 am
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:29 am to
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Because they’re miserable fricks who want fattys to remain fat so they can all share the same level of misery.


That really isn’t it.

It’s mainly because OP is talking about this drug as if it’s changed their life forever. Yet, to those of us who have struggled with emotional eating and unhealthy food habits, it’s clear they aren’t doing the work needed.

The glaring example is the fact that they are touting sharing a pizza as a win.

Most people not on ozempic/semaglitude share a pizza. My wife and I shared a pizza last night and left about 1/3 of it. That’s called eating normally.

When the drug is over, my question is how are they or anyone else going to sustain their eating habits? Discipline is not a sustainable answer.
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:52 am to
I’m not following what you’re saying. OP said he and his wife split a pizza (had 2 pieces) but left half of it on the table.

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wife and I shared a pizza last night and left about 1/3 of it. That’s called eating normally.
That’s what he did. Is he not eating normally?
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:59 am to
What I’m saying is the drug has only suppressed his appetite to the point he’s eating normally.

How does he sustain that when he’s done? Discipline won’t do it.

My point is that the work it takes to get to eat normally without appetite suppression is absent.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:01 am to
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That’s what he did. Is he not eating normally?

I think his point was... that's what they should have been doing all along and shouldn't need Mounjaro to do it...

If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Seems to me that if someone takes Mounjaro, then over time, does their stomach not shrink, thereby allowing them to feel fuller ANYWAYS when they eat after coming off it? And yes, I'm aware that it will "blow back up" if they go back to their old eating habits. So yes, eating habits, as well as physical activity habits, must be changed.
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
58651 posts
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:25 am to
I don’t believe in the whole stomach shrinkage theory but I think if that person develops new habits and gets them solidified while on the meds, then they should carry over once meds are weaned off. shite, keep an old pic of your old self on the fridge for reminder. No matter what method one chooses, it’ll boil down to developing discipline and that’s something people should be doing while using these meds. They’re only one part of the equation.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 5:38 pm to
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The glaring example is the fact that they are touting sharing a pizza as a win. Most people not on ozempic/semaglitude share a pizza. My wife and I shared a pizza last night and left about 1/3 of it. That’s called eating normally.


You must not know what Lit Pizza is. Their pizzas are 12” thin crust, single servings. Eating two slices of Lit Pizza is about the same as eating one slice of a regular pizza.
This is what we ate, two slices each of a 12” pizza. Hell, I don’t even think they are 12”, they maybe 10”.

Edit
I just Googled it, they have 11” pizzas.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted by BawtHouse
Member since Dec 2021
197 posts
Posted on 4/6/24 at 6:29 pm to
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Question is, what happens when I get off of it?


How many times have you tried other things? Fad diets, move more and eat less, etc? You are now taking medicine that treats your disease. Why do you believe you should stop taking the medication? Would you stop taking a beta blocker because it was working and heart disease had been held in check? Why would you stop taking your obesity medicine because it is working?

Some people are capable of overcoming the disease without medication. Most are not. You should discuss this with a medical professional with expertise in obesity medicine before considering a discontinuation of a medicine that is improving your quality of life and fending off early death or subsequent disease. Ideally look for DABOM behind the MD. ASMBS as well, or both if you want the most medically informed.

Congrats on getting healthier. Very glad you found the treatment needed for your disease. Like most other diseases, the symptom prevalence will return once treatment is discontinued.
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 6:46 pm to
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Why do you believe you should stop taking the medication?


My primary did mention something like I could be on the med for life, with it replacing 2-3 of my scripts.
I just had it in my mind I would be on it for a few months (year) than come off of it.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 6:47 pm
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
2240 posts
Posted on 4/6/24 at 8:39 pm to
Count me in as one with severe side effects. Diarrhea, severe stomach cramps, no vomiting though.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
21286 posts
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:57 pm to
It is very weird and creepy, how many people get triggered by someone taking one of these GLPs here.

You all need to refresh yourselves about casting the first stone. Unless you have never taken any medication to better your life, you really should just shut-up and not be a hypocrite.
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3708 posts
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:04 pm to
I agree with Ron ricks,MoJeaux and other downvoters.I wouldn’t take any new meds that come out for at least 5 years.
I would rather have the gastric sleeve surgery if I wanted to lose weight badly enough.I know 6 people that had the surgery,it’s done laparoscopically and recovery was pretty easy.All 6 initially lost a good bit of weight,Two years later 5 of the 6 were right back where they started before surgery.
I worked with 2 women that got on fen-phen,1 developed pulmonary hypertension.She lost weight for sure but she had some tough years before she died,
I also remember Bextra,Celebrex and Vioxx.It worked well for some people but caused heart attacks and death in some.
As far as the Covid “vax”,I know a lot of people that took it and most had no side effects,knew of a few that had some blood clotting problems including a lady that a massive stroke next day.
Most of them got Covid anyway,some 2-3 times.

I understand the difficulty of controlling appetite,I struggle with it constantly.
My motivation is I want to avoid being on any prescription meds.73 and so far have not had to start taking any,had lab work 2 weeks ago and every thing was good,BP also.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31381 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 5:05 am to
Tesa and hex can only be run 8-12 weeks max before effectiveness starts to go down. Cjc1295 no dac and ipam can be run forever as there is no negative feedback loop
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31381 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 5:10 am to
For some reason people attach moralistic views to weight loss and muscle gain. Glp would be akin to steroids and people get all bent the frick out of shape over PEDs even if they don’t lift. It’s fricking weird
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58963 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 5:28 am to
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About what I'd expect from you.


Don’t start anything with your effeminate “I know your shtick” comment then. Again, I wasn’t “crapping all over” the OP, other than to point out that even now, his diet isn’t that healthy and that he will still be overweight at his goal weight. Obviously, if he can get away from being morbidly obese, it’s a good thing.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 7:10 am to
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For some reason people attach moralistic views to weight loss and muscle gain. Glp would be akin to steroids and people get all bent the frick out of shape over PEDs even if they don’t lift. It’s fricking weird


Maybe for some but my issue is with Big Pharma who is controlling and destroying this country with medications, magic potions, quick ‘fixes’ etc that many people don’t even need and in the end do not work or screw you up even worse. You don’t need something like Mounjaro to lose weight and live better. The blueprint is out there I don’t care how obese, sickly, weak etc someone is. Making lifestyle changes can fix this without Big Pharma’s magic potions that are designed for you to rely on them forever so they keep making money. I threw my morals out a longtime ago and have always advocated if you are going to use PEDs do it under the supervision of a MD where you can get bloods etc done and monitor. Use stuff made by actual pharmaceutical companies (USA or Europe) not shite made in China or Mexico and heaven forbid don’t use stuff from these UGL ‘labs’ that are literally being mixed in people’s sinks and bathtubs. Use human grade products. The difference is huge. An example when I was using hGH I was fortunate enough to be able to use Serostim or Humatrope but when W Bush came after PEDs and things dried up for about a year I had to switch to the generic green, yellow, or black tops from either China or Mexico. To get the same effect from the ‘generic’ I had to basically double or even almost triple the dose it was garbage. I’m not saying everything from China or manufacturered there is garbage I just personally wouldn’t touch it for many many reasons. China could wipe us out if they wanted simply by withholding or contaminating medicine. I’m well aware that not everything made in China is impure or contaminated etc but why even take the risk? Knowing what we know about how they operate it wouldn’t give me warm feelings about relying on them for anything.
Posted by BawtHouse
Member since Dec 2021
197 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 7:39 am to
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I wouldn’t take any new meds that come out for at least 5 years.


GLP-1s have been around since late 80s and FDA approved in 2005. They are extremely safe across a massive sample size and time.

1. Educate yourself with intention from a starting point of neutrality.

2. Apologize to a lot of people
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
3367 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 9:54 am to
You are right. My bad. Apologies.

If someone uses it to "kick start" their weight loss, get healthier etc.... more power to them.

If someone uses it because they simply refuse to do anything else... they will eventually fail.

Obviously, the ideal situation would be to lose weight by exercising and eating healthier... but, I guess, oftentimes obese people are... well... so obese that they feel as if they can't exercise. Go on Ozempic or Mounjaro, lose 30 or 40 pounds and it becomes easier to exercise.

Much like people with high cholesterol... won't change one thing about their diet... but will eat statins all day long or people that would rather not cut salt out of their diet and just take another high blood pressure medicine. Or something like that. NOt that simple and cut or dried... some of those things are hereditary and bad genetics... but you hopefully get the gist.
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