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Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:03 am to
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:03 am to
Did 8.5 last night. Really enjoying a progressive run: 4 miles at HR 130, 3 miles at HR 140, and last mile at HR 160. Felt good. Have a 5K this weekend. Will treat it as my VO2 effort for the week.

6 miles on the schedule tonight along with beers!
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:25 am to
almost there, i see some lows in the high 60s and i have a woody
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:18 am to
Jordan -

did you pick up the NB supercomp trainer v2? Joe's didn't have my size but found it at Running Lab and got it for $120 shipped. should have it maybe by the weekend. everything takes 2-3 days longer to get to montana. Amazon prime basically doesn't exist..haha
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:30 am to
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ks_nola


I'm starting to question why I signed up for a 100 miler... this weekend was terrible, but it also turns out I was getting a head cold while I was running so I'm going to write it off as that. (ETA: Still did 55 miles for the week and 48 in 4 days)

This was a cutback week and currently fighting a cold, so gonna take it easy and heal this week - next week is my highest milage week at ~80 or so, we shall see how it goes.

Crazy how many miles 100 is, whereas in Marathon Training you never really run 26.2 miles in one sitting, you do get well over 26 miles for your weekly miles. Unless you are either super lucky with your job, or that's what you do for a living, good luck getting to 100+ miles in a week for this craziness.
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 10:32 am
Posted by jordan21210
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:48 am to
quote:

did you pick up the NB supercomp trainer v2? Joe's didn't have my size but found it at Running Lab and got it for $120 shipped. should have it maybe by the weekend. everything takes 2-3 days longer to get to montana. Amazon prime basically doesn't exist..haha

Yep. $120 shipped is a better deal than I got, so good find. I tried them on and they feel great on foot, have not gone for a run yet. Like any shoe, reviews are all over - some say too soft, some say it’s a perfect do everything shoe. I’m a heavier runner, so we will see. My Gel Nimbus 25’s still have some life after 300 miles so gonna stay in them a bit longer.
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 2:51 pm to
Questioning why you thought running a 100 miler is a good idea happens to most and is part of the process. high mileage volume isn't easy but you also don't need 100 mile weeks. my experience is 70-80 for 3-4 weeks in a row at peak training cycle has worked well. You may want to start running doubles twice during the week if your schedule is tight. Based on the running info you have posted over the past couple weeks I'd say lay of any speed workouts. you can work in some "uptempo" miles but your goal right now should be hitting the mileage on every run. You mentioned a cut back week which is fine but go walk extra miles after a run. what mileage do you have planned for this week and then what's the breakdown for the 80 mile week?

Race day shoe advice.... if the shoe you're wearing isn't giving you trouble (hot spot,etc) don't change them.
Posted by BoCam2
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 3:41 pm to
6 & 8 miles the last 2 days at Panama city beach. I forgot how enjoyable it is to run with zero elevation
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 3:43 pm to
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You mentioned a cut back week which is fine but go walk extra miles after a run.


Originally before getting sick the cutback would have been: 7 > 9 > 6 > 15 > 5 so 42 in all. Now that I've gotten sick I'm going to just let me body heal, I'm far enough out at this point from the race that I would rather heal completely than go out too soon.

quote:

what mileage do you have planned for this week and then what's the breakdown for the 80 mile week?


5 Miles Tuesday, 9 Miles Thursday, 50 Mile Race Friday, 10 Miles Saturday, 6 Miles Sunday

After that I'll probably try to keep my milage around 70-80 for the next 2 weeks and then back off a bit the next week (40ish that week?)

Then it's fully on taper for 12 days

**that being said, I'm semi tempted to swap my 2nd to last week (the 40ish mile week) with the last week to give myself rest but also not let my legs go stale**

P.S: I think during my peak weeks I'm going to just go out and walk around my building every so often just because I need to be on my feet all the time. This is ridiculous and shouldn't be attempted by a father of young children
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 3:51 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 4:15 pm to
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6 & 8 miles the last 2 days at Panama city beach. I forgot how enjoyable it is to run with zero elevation



Hope you stubbed a toe.....


Another day of hill runs here in Cahaba Heights.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:22 pm to
3.5 miles at HR 130 (12min/mile).

3 miles at HR 170 (8:30/mile).

Ate wings. Drank beer.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 9:58 am to
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ks_nola


another thing I've been thinking about since making that message - I think after next week I'll be run streaking for 2 weeks to get the milage in. I think that's another thing, I typically only run for 5 days out of the week, to get to the 70-80 miles, it'll be a whole lot easier if I'm running 7 days a week.
Posted by BoCam2
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:02 am to
Be careful with runstreaking. It can't be overstated how important rest/recovery is for training. Especially for ultras.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 10:44 am to
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Be careful with runstreaking. It can't be overstated how important rest/recovery is for training. Especially for ultras.


I am the first person to shutdown anyone that thinks runstreaking is good for training, the recovery is what makes you stronger, not the run. That's the biggest reason why I plan to do it for only 2 weeks, and that's also why I'll probably do a huge cutback week RIGHT after it, with multiple days of rest.
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 11:21 am to
I can't really comment good or bad on whatever is considered runstreaking. I would think it would take way more than everyday for 2-3 weeks to be considered a streak and possibly have some negative impact. As far as getting in 70-80 miles it can be done in a 5 day week just depends on how your schedule is laid out and what you have time for each day. hence why i suggested doubles if you don't have a 2-3 hour window during the week.

Not sure if you are working with a coach , mentor, or experienced friend for you schedule but personally I think your plan for 80 next week is setup for disappointment. it may be due to other commitments but the back loaded miles with a 50 mile day is going to leave you beat up. planning for 10 the next day after 50 when you have never gone 30 is gonna be fun. something to consider. if you are taking the majority of this week off front load miles next week instead of taking monday and wednesday off and get 25 out the way, rest thursday and attempt your 50 friday and then go out and walk saturday/sunday. there's a 1000 ways to do this so these are just my thoughts based on personal experiences and what many of my friends have done to get to the finish line.

I went back through my strava at the lead up to badwater. I had a 8 week block that averaged 80 miles and 6k gain. then tapered with 50, 30, 20. I was physically ready but my fueling and mental weakness failed me. Don't lose sight of the fueling and mental part of these challenges.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

it may be due to other commitments but the back loaded miles with a 50 mile day is going to leave you beat up. planning for 10 the next day after 50 when you have never gone 30 is gonna be fun. something to consider. if you are taking the majority of this week off front load miles next week instead of taking monday and wednesday off and get 25 out the way, rest thursday and attempt your 50 friday and then go out and walk saturday/sunday.


My new plan for next week is as follows:

Mon 6M Easy
Tue 6M Easy
Wed 6M Easy
Thu Rest
Fri 50M long
Sat Walk
Sun 13.1M easy

Got a message this morning that a pacer dropped out of a local Marathon last minute and the guy in charge of pacing needed me to fill in for him.

So somewhat to what you said to do - I'm front loading 18 miles and resting before the 50 - think that means lots and lots of carbs on Thursday.

Fueling has actually been my #1 focus the last 2 weeks, I'm trying to figure out what works for me and how to best get myself to the finish line without a massive body crash. So far the Clif gels have been the best for me - I'm going to try out Twinkies, Oreos, and some other more outlandish things on the 50 miles though. After all that's what the 50 miles is for - seeing what all my body can take
Posted by BaddestAndvari
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:14 pm to
Also instead of just ETA'ing the other post -

The reason I "back load" is that's just how my schedule has worked out, generally speaking I have found that my best training blocks have been about doing as many runs back-to-back as possible, so my Marathon training has had that 4 day block since January.

I just incorporated the same routine into my 100 miler training. What better way to train Endurance than "just keep going" - running on tired legs has been a big part of my training.

During Marathon training, it also makes for great training when Saturday is my long run, 3rd straight day of running - and then I add in Pace Miles in the middle.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:37 pm to
Garmin is officially predicting 19:XX for 5k and 1:3X for a half. Spooky season is upon us
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:48 pm to
4 days back to back... report back how you feel after 50 mile effort. 15 mile long marathon run doesn't hit the same as 50.

stay away from twinkies and similar. too much over processed sugar and weird oils. might make for some side of the trail excitement, if shitting your pants is fun i guess...

fuel with whatever works really. i tend to get heartburn if i rely too much on gels / chews. I do well with larabars, honeystringer protein bars or similar. handful of trail mix or PBJ at aid stations.
Posted by ks_nola
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 2:49 pm to
are those x's =0 or 9. one is way cooler than the other. haha. nice work getting back at it!
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 9/25/24 at 5:06 pm to
Lol definitely 9's. My half isn't until January though so I've got plenty of time. My goal is 1:30 but I won't be disappointed as long as I finish. I'll do some tune up 5ks and 10ks to make sure I'm in the ballpark.
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