re: Need Info on TRT

She lays it on me about every day so I could deal with it lol. But seriously, if someone just has a fear of needles, it’s a legit and effective option.

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Lawd. You got her on HRT too? I’ve heard some great stories about women getting on test.

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Nope, but we are going to get a consult. Obviously not for libido, but more anxiety/mental type stuff.

So I’ve been taking Seramorelin (prescribed) and have had good results. I thought about running a month or two on Tesamorelin and maybe adding ipamorelin as a stack. What would be a recommended daily dosage.

60 years old and run TRT through my doctor.

Personally I prefer iPam as a Boom dose of 1000mcg before bed with the tesa or any ghrh

It was supposed to say Boom dose not noon, damn auto correct

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What’s ya thoughts on GH at bedtime vs fasted in Am?

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When I used hGH I did split dosage. First half in morning upon waking. Second dose at night before bed. Weekends I’d do morning, afternoon, and night.

Lots of arguments about how and when is best. I’m more of the opinion the quality of the hGH matters more than the ‘when’. If you got shitty generic hGH it doesn’t matter when you take it or how many times a day etc.

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When I used hGH I did split dosage. First half in morning upon waking. Second dose at night before bed. Weekends I’d do morning, afternoon, and night.

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Seems to be split 50/50 on opinions on when to take it. I like the fasted AM option, but my workout is at 5am, so it wouldn’t be effective by then. I read multiple threads on meso but everyone seems to have different opinions on protocols.

so good thing is since BO left, the US has stopped putting pressure on China and now the generics from good sources are testing the same as pharma grade and the MG dose is as high or higher....so not like it was where the purity would be good but overall MG was well below pharma. Its more akin to pre operation raw deal where you could get the Jintropins for $100 per 300iu kit and the generics where just the damn Jins without the label

as far as HGH, my believe is unless competing nobody should take more than 8iu. Dave may be right with 6iu too. Its a slow game with gh. play the long game

imo the safest protocols for overall health are using mainly just test and gh with small amounts of Primo. In the last 20 years...the people that follow that and post blood work seems to be the best. Dante has talked about that too


as far as dosing, its similar protocol with both gh and peptides with the peptides being way more sensitive to what foods are digested.

smaller dose when you wake up, wait 15-20 min and do fasted cardio. then eat 1st meal mainly of protein. next meal can have carbs if between dosing

repeat morning protocol at around noon or 1. make sure its 2 or 3 hours(3 is better) since you have had carbs. take dose, go for 20-30min walk and then protein based meal

other should be at night, so if you are taking 8iu...2iu in morning, 2iu at lunch or early afternoon and then 4iu at night....for night do it right before bed. ideally would be way after your PWO carb meal.

if looking to get lean, your carbs should only be between meals or only after PWO depending on timing.



so for peptide protocols....lets say tesa and ipam, it would look like

morning- 250-500mcg tesa, 250-500mcg ipam
noon- same
night- 500-1000mcg tesa, ipam at 1000-2000mcg(boom dose)


boom dosing is to make things similar to natural production

GHRH

tesa is best for visceral fat

cjc no dac(gfr1-29) - best for normal cutting but more of your base ghrh.

CJC w/dac- once a week or every 5 day dosing. strongest ghrh and best for bulking

sermorelin- weakest ghrh and oldest ghrh that is still used.



GHRP
Hex- strongest ghrp but can only be used 6-8 weeks before down regulation happens

Ipam- is preferred as it is the one that is closest to natural production. alos one of the weakest response. more of your base ghrp.

ghrp-2 and 6- good for bulking as they are ghrelin antagonist. can be used with insulin to increase the gh output. will stimulate hunger big time

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It has been discovered that when GHRP-6 and insulin are administered simultaneously, GH response to GHRP-6 is increased (1). However, the consumption of carbohydrates and/or dietary fats, around the administration window of GH secretagogues significantly blunts the GH release. A recent study in normal mice showed significant differences in body composition, muscle growth, glucose metabolism, memory and cardiac function in the mice being administered the GHRP-6 (2). There are still many questions regarding this fairly new compound.

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mk677- best if used for bulking. if you have HS athlete that needs to put on weight, this is way to go. its non hormonal other than its effects on H. Will stimulate hunger to the point it hurts not to eat. You will retain water also. and you will be tired AF. like falling asleep at your desk tired. You will sleep crazy deep too and have some crazy dreams. Cant express how hungry it will make you. it will decrease insulin sensitivity over time though. I do not recommend HS athletes or below 25 take anything, but if you are this is much safer than say SARMS or anabolics. Not uncommon for a 20lbs gain in 4 months just due to increase food consumption

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Effect on lean mass
Ibutamoren has been shown to sustain activation of the GH–IGF-1 axis, increasing growth hormone secretion by up to 97%,[9] and to increase lean body mass with no change in total fat mass or visceral fat. It is under investigation as a potential treatment for reduced levels of these hormones, such as in children or elderly adults with growth hormone deficiency,[3][10][11][12] and human studies have shown it to increase both muscle mass and bone mineral density,[13][14] making it a promising potential therapy for the treatment of frailty in the elderly.[15][16] As of June 2017, ibutamoren is in the preclinical stage of development for growth hormone deficiency.[3]

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Effect on sleep architecture
In a small study of 14 subjects, MK-677 dosed at 25mg/day at bedtime was shown to increase REM sleep by 20% and 50% in young and older subjects respectively.[17] Treatment with MK-677 also resulted in an approximate 50% increase in deep sleep in young subjects.[17]

Growth hormone deficiency
In a study of children with growth hormone deficiency, MK-677 performed better than other growth hormone secretagogues at improving growth hormone levels.[18] An ongoing study compares MK-677 directly to injectable hGH in terms of height velocity in this population.[19]

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Nah man. It’s really simple once you get into the routine. I’ll rotate delts and arse cheeks to prevent too much scar tissue. The smallest needle possible is what I recommend, I use 27g 1/2”.

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If I was to run Tesa/Ipam would you run it for 30 days or for a longer time?

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8-12 weeks