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Let's talk nutrition DURING long runs / bike rides / workouts
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:50 pm
Today I ran a long run that took a number of hours. I'm training to run a marathon. Considering I have no Kenyan in my blood, the marathon will take 4, 4:30 hours or more to complete.
I found myself today getting weak and somewhat nauseated towards the end of my run, obviously lacking electrolytes, etc. And I sure don't have a good marathoner's stamina, either, for I was losing pace.
For energy, before I started, I ate a pack of Energy jelly beans.
About mid-run, I ate one pack of the GU gummy-like blocks.
What do you recommend eating right before and/or during a lengthy race, practice run, long bike ride, or even during a very long workout session?
I found myself today getting weak and somewhat nauseated towards the end of my run, obviously lacking electrolytes, etc. And I sure don't have a good marathoner's stamina, either, for I was losing pace.
For energy, before I started, I ate a pack of Energy jelly beans.
About mid-run, I ate one pack of the GU gummy-like blocks.
What do you recommend eating right before and/or during a lengthy race, practice run, long bike ride, or even during a very long workout session?
Posted on 12/16/18 at 4:47 am to East Coast Band
I will usually carb up a day or 2 before a long run or race. Just add in some pasta, rice, etc and cut back on the meats. In the am of the run (a couple of hours before), I will have around a cup of Oatmeal with a handful of Raspberries. Prior to the race/run (30 mins to an hour out) it's usually a Honey Stinger waffle and maybe a banana. I will also sip on some Tailwind, depending on the distance. Anything over 10 miles and I will pack a Maurten Gel or 2 and have one at 5/10 if needed. I should say I've never run a Full Marathon and this post is catered to the Half race and easy/long runs up to 20 miles.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 7:15 am to East Coast Band
Once I start doing around 10 mile runs, I eat half a banana pre run and carry water with .
12 to 15, I might do one of these
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Pretty sure my full marathon days are done, but before those long runs I would eat a whole banana or oatmeal and carry an extra gel or cut up Clif bars.
12 to 15, I might do one of these
Or
Pretty sure my full marathon days are done, but before those long runs I would eat a whole banana or oatmeal and carry an extra gel or cut up Clif bars.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:16 am to East Coast Band
Your body can only absorb so many calories doing specific tasks. It varies per person, but there are rules of thumb. Cycling is about 300 calories per hour for me. Running is only about 100 per hour.
On the bike, my last nutrition plan was a product called infinit nutrition. It's a powder you mix in your water bottle. Each serving is close to 300 calories. Supposed to mix into a water bottle. But I'd mix the serving 3 times as strong, so 900 calories in a super concentrated bottle. Then I'd have a separate water bottle to dilute in my stomach. Refilling with fresh water was easy and didn't have to keep mixing on the ride. Has all your electrolytes, carbs, etc in the mix. You can actually customize the blend to how much carbs, electrolytes, calories, protein, amino acids, caffeine, etc. Its pricey, but if protein makes your stomach upset (common), you can reduce. If you are a salty sweater, you can increase electrolytes.
For running, its gels and maybe bananas if an aid station has them. Take a gel (100 cal) every 45 minutes to an hour. I like a little caffeine in my gels too. I've run with the infinit, but I dont love carrying a bottle.
Only time I really need salts/electrolytes was for my full ironman training. Never was an issue for a half distance or marathon running so far.
Bad part is, what you can handle for 3 hours might sour your stomach at 5, so it's a game of practicing to get used to it and figuring out what you like as an individual.
On the bike, my last nutrition plan was a product called infinit nutrition. It's a powder you mix in your water bottle. Each serving is close to 300 calories. Supposed to mix into a water bottle. But I'd mix the serving 3 times as strong, so 900 calories in a super concentrated bottle. Then I'd have a separate water bottle to dilute in my stomach. Refilling with fresh water was easy and didn't have to keep mixing on the ride. Has all your electrolytes, carbs, etc in the mix. You can actually customize the blend to how much carbs, electrolytes, calories, protein, amino acids, caffeine, etc. Its pricey, but if protein makes your stomach upset (common), you can reduce. If you are a salty sweater, you can increase electrolytes.
For running, its gels and maybe bananas if an aid station has them. Take a gel (100 cal) every 45 minutes to an hour. I like a little caffeine in my gels too. I've run with the infinit, but I dont love carrying a bottle.
Only time I really need salts/electrolytes was for my full ironman training. Never was an issue for a half distance or marathon running so far.
Bad part is, what you can handle for 3 hours might sour your stomach at 5, so it's a game of practicing to get used to it and figuring out what you like as an individual.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:28 am to East Coast Band
I like real food on the bike. Only use pure sugar during high intensity or hot days where real food is harder to digest. For running real food is harder to eat due to the jostling. I would do some tests during your long runs to see what you can stomach and what you can't
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:46 am to East Coast Band
I don't do long distance cardio, but I use a mix of simple Gatorade and protein powder to sip during lifting weights. It's way cheaper than most pre-made stuff and also has protein.
Most produced intrawrkout stuff lacks protein, and protein can help a good deal intraworkout. A study on the impact of protein during/before resistance and endurance training.
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Most produced intrawrkout stuff lacks protein, and protein can help a good deal intraworkout. A study on the impact of protein during/before resistance and endurance training.
LINK /
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:21 pm to East Coast Band
The honey stinger waffles are great during a run too. They dissolve pretty quickly and I can get one down without water if I need to. They're also one of the best calorie/weight "real" foods if you care about that.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:14 pm to TigeRoots
I do half Ironman and Full Ironman races, as well as half and full marathons. On the run, with the exception of a banana or two, I keep all nutrition gel or liquid. Honey Stingers, Gu’s, or Clif Gels are all pretty similar. I prefer the honey stingers the most during a race. During triathlons I do Clif Bars and Bananas on the bike and drink mainly water, but a lot people drink nothing but Gatorade Endurance along with their food. For a full marathon nutrition is very important, but hydration is more important. Learn your sweat rate and stay on top of your hydration. If you feel like you’re getting dehydrated you’re already too late!
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:35 pm to KG6
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Your body can only absorb so many calories doing specific tasks. It varies per person, but there are rules of thumb. Cycling is about 300 calories per hour for me. Running is only about 100 per hour.
This is important. If you are ingesting too much then eventually you are going to have stomach issues. Once you are trained, you should be able to do a 20 miler on just water. Any calories that you take in are more mental than physical.
I remember back when I started running longer distances and I would make sure to have some calories for a 6 mile run. Now, in a training cycle, I will do 6 miles while fasting. The important thing is to find what works for you but I would say most people are probably consuming too many calories on long runs.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 7:54 am to rds dc
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when I started running longer distances and I would make sure to have some calories for a 6 mile run. Now, in a training cycle, I will do 6 miles while fasting
I agree that when people are starting out, certain mileages or efforts seem really long and incorrectly think they need nutrition. I'm the same way that I can go for a 6-10 mile and forget to even drink water if it's not too hot outside, but when I started, probably overthought it.
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Once you are trained, you should be able to do a 20 miler on just water
I agree that this can be done, but I don't think anyone, no matter what their fitness, is taking in too many calories with a couple gels on a run like this. The most fat adapted person in the world is burning a little glycogen on this run, and if you are running slow enough to burn fat, it should be slow enough to digest 100-200 calories over the multi-hour run. If not, you just have the wrong nutrition.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:09 pm to KG6
Yeah, it totally depends where your HR is. If I stay in Zone 2 and the lower ends of zone 3 I can go 15 miles without food, especially if it’s in the morning and my glycogen stores are still present from the night before.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 6:37 pm to Andychapman13
Good information, fellas. How do y'all handle hydration in the day(s) before a Full IM or Marathon? Increase water intake at all in the days leading up?
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