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re: Is too much protein bad for you?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:59 pm to saintthetiger93
Posted on 7/24/17 at 6:59 pm to saintthetiger93
Back in January I started in on protein shakes each day for a week. I had pancreatitis the following weekend. One doctor told me it was not to blame and the other doctor said it could totally be to blame. However, I was not drinking much water at the time which was really dumb.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:05 pm to REG861
Prolly. I've known people to have a 25g shake with all eight meals. 16 x 25 is only 400g. If you are drinking plenty of water, no you almost assuredly would have no side effects other than rapid fat loss.
But unless you are doing an extreme diet like the velocity diet why would you only do shakes?
And why do so many of y'all refer to how many shakes you have a day. How many shakes you have doesn't describe crap. Might be 25g shake, might be 200g, who knows?
But unless you are doing an extreme diet like the velocity diet why would you only do shakes?
And why do so many of y'all refer to how many shakes you have a day. How many shakes you have doesn't describe crap. Might be 25g shake, might be 200g, who knows?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 8:14 pm to lsu777
I was being facetious, of course there's a reasonable limitation on how much you should/can take in say 1 day... despite what the resident contrarian on this board might tell you
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:04 pm to REG861
There is, btw he isn't saying there is no limit but he doesn't track macros and only eat when hungry so of course he doesn't think there is a limit. I doubt he has ever gone over 300g in a day.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:38 pm to lsu777
What about this scenario. You only drink shakes all day, but you measure out protein, sugar and oils into it. Calculate what percentage of fats, carbs and protein you need in a day to bulk/cut and divide it up into manageable portions daily. Take naturally produced multivitamins also. Theorheticaly you are getting a controlled measure of all macros and daily calorie counts. What can be the downside of this and if there is none why wouldn't this be talked about ever? Seems like a really efficient and cheap way to "eat" right.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:46 pm to Snek
There are diets like this, velocity diet in particular. It the reason it's not talked about much is because it fricking sucks. How the hell are you supposed to have a life? You gonna turn down every invite to go to dinner? God forbid you be married or have a gf let alone kids.
Calories in vs calories out is an inexact science anyways. You can get close to your TDEE or maintenance calories through a calculator but you aren't going to know for sure without trial and error. With that in mind you can get plenty close enough using a food scale and eating regular food and logging everything.
But if you want to go on the diet you described, look up the velocity diet. The original only had one solid meal a week. I think the new version is once a day. But do the original for 28 days like it says and get back to me if you think your described diet is something somebody could stay on for any appreciable amount of time.
Oh the other reason is because STEAK is frickING AWESOME!!!!
Calories in vs calories out is an inexact science anyways. You can get close to your TDEE or maintenance calories through a calculator but you aren't going to know for sure without trial and error. With that in mind you can get plenty close enough using a food scale and eating regular food and logging everything.
But if you want to go on the diet you described, look up the velocity diet. The original only had one solid meal a week. I think the new version is once a day. But do the original for 28 days like it says and get back to me if you think your described diet is something somebody could stay on for any appreciable amount of time.
Oh the other reason is because STEAK is frickING AWESOME!!!!
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:55 pm to lsu777
Oh no I would not do this but only on rare occasions. I track and measure my food when I can the best I can. It was just a thought I had and wondered why I never heard of a diet like that mentioned ever.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:03 pm to Snek
I did the og velocity diet about ten years ago. Worst 28 days ever. It would allow for a big salad with olive oil and regular vinigar on wednesdays but no meat. I use to do these grilled portabella caps and at the time I thought it was amazing. I mean I love mushrooms, but if your diet is so strict you think mushrooms taste like dessert than you have gone overkill. It worked though no doubt about that.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:08 pm to lsu777
That's what I was wondering. If doing that consistently would actually work without feeling miserable (sluggish, starving, etc). I never follow prefabricated diet plans. I eat what I want, when I want, but after 2/3 of the day calculate what I ate and what I still need to eat to finish off my macros for the day. I thought to do this only bc I am stupid lazy with cooking food and preparing meals so the convenience aspect seems glorious to me. Thanks for the input.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:32 am to Iron Sights
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there are a lot of protein shakes, you can develop some gut issues
can you explain a little more on what this entails. Symptoms of too much protein shakes?
I think he's referring to things like whey based powders that can upset gut integrity for those with dairy issues.
Even with a plant base powder treat it like any processed food and read the label. Look out for sugar content, unpronounceable ingredients, and added "gums"
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 8:36 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:35 am to Iron Sights
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can you explain a little more on what this entails. Symptoms of too much protein shakes?
Just think about it. You're drinking whey which is from milk, and artificial sweeteners. If you're drink over 3 protein shakes a day for an extended period of time, it can just be uncomfortable. Not the case for everyone but for some yes.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:40 am to lsu777
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lsu777
Easy killer. I wasn't going after you. An 8 week study will not produce results of what I'm taking about. If the op is talking about going on an 8 week protein bulk, then fine, get after it. I'm speaking on extended use of taking in too much. I don't read a ton of bs articles. I listen to seminars and listen from the ones who have been in the fitness realm for a while. George Farah has said he does blood work from everyone he coaches, and he finds a lot of kidney issues from over doing the protein for so long. Now I'm sure the drugs don't make things any better.
Yes, if you drink plenty of water then there's probably nothing to worry about; but I can guaranty you, 75-80% of the people don't drink enough water.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:25 pm to REG861
quote:To clarify: the OP's question is written a little awkwardly. I would change things to say something more like: unless you are trying to overeat yourself to death (like a fraternity hazing or something like that), you can't really have "too much protein". 777 is right - you are limited by satiety. But of course, the same way it's possible to die from drinking too much water, certainly there is some remote physiological limit where you will croak from "too much protein" (and even then, in those quantities, I doubt that it would be specifically the protein per se that would do you in.) TL;DR - my answer sticks and it's the right answer. Not sure what is "contrarian" about this.
I was being facetious, of course there's a reasonable limitation on how much you should/can take in say 1 day... despite what the resident contrarian on this board might tell you
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:53 pm to BlackPot
Like i said, the studies show if you drink plenty of water(gallon+/day) then you have nothing to worry about upto 600g a day. Maybe more I dunno, thats just the highest I have seen in studies.
And I have read what Farah has said, but he has to take into the account the effect Trenbolone derivatives have on the Kidneys and certainly every person he is dealing with is using it. ALso Diretics certainly are used by his clients and certainly strain the hell out of the kidneys.
and I have seen quite a bit of blood work by those following Doggcrapp training eating at 2xBW in grams of protein for an extended period(1 year+) and none have shown issues as they were all drinking tons of water.
Good rule of thumb is, keep your piss clear. If you drink enough water to keep it clear at all times, you are good no matter how high your protein intake is.
And I have read what Farah has said, but he has to take into the account the effect Trenbolone derivatives have on the Kidneys and certainly every person he is dealing with is using it. ALso Diretics certainly are used by his clients and certainly strain the hell out of the kidneys.
and I have seen quite a bit of blood work by those following Doggcrapp training eating at 2xBW in grams of protein for an extended period(1 year+) and none have shown issues as they were all drinking tons of water.
Good rule of thumb is, keep your piss clear. If you drink enough water to keep it clear at all times, you are good no matter how high your protein intake is.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:26 pm to arktiger28
How much water are we talking here?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:52 pm to lsu777
What are some economical ways you guys hit those high protein numbers, like 200-250g?
I want to hit 180g per day, but have trouble doing that without drinking 3 protein drinks in the 20-25g range per.
I want to hit 180g per day, but have trouble doing that without drinking 3 protein drinks in the 20-25g range per.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:56 pm to Wee Ice Mon
order protein in bulk from true nutrition to make up 50-75g/day. The best way after that is look for sales on chicken breast or thighs.
As far as being able to hit the macros, I have a huge appetite and have no problem downing a pound of meat in one sitting. Very easy for me. You are just going to have to learn to eat. Raw eggs or soft boiled eggs works well. Google Rheo Blair method and add them to your protein shakes. Other than that eat more often, do morning cardio to increase appetite and force it down if you have to. You will adapt.
As far as being able to hit the macros, I have a huge appetite and have no problem downing a pound of meat in one sitting. Very easy for me. You are just going to have to learn to eat. Raw eggs or soft boiled eggs works well. Google Rheo Blair method and add them to your protein shakes. Other than that eat more often, do morning cardio to increase appetite and force it down if you have to. You will adapt.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 11:32 am to saintthetiger93
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