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Is there a good heart monitor that a personal trainer can monitor live during workouts?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:20 am
My daughters work with a trainer 3 times a week and have been since late 2019... he reccomended a heart monitor that he can monitor during the workouts so he can see how hard they are pushing themselves.. I thought of those vests that college football programs such as
Catapult
but as I looked they are GPS based and don't really apply in an indoor gym... any suggestions?
Catapult
but as I looked they are GPS based and don't really apply in an indoor gym... any suggestions?
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Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:47 am to 45RCRoy45
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My daughters work with a trainer 3 times a week and have been since late 2019... he reccomended a heart monitor that he can monitor during the workouts so he can see how hard they are pushing themselves.. I thought of those vests that college football programs such as
may i ask why? what is their goals? are they athletes? are they tracking calories? are they lifting weights progressively?
because all of those things matter way more than worrying about heart rate
Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:49 am to 45RCRoy45
don't know exact answer but polar chest strap linked to app on phone? he would have to monitor their phones or maybe can sink to app on his. flip side seems if he is suggesting this he would know what you need.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:52 am to 45RCRoy45
I question real time HR monitoring by an outside source. Unless he's talking to them directly during the workouts, what's the point? Every run workout that I do has HR targets.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 1:15 pm to lsu777
I think the trainer wants to crank them up to the next level - but wants to monitor their heart rate so he knows when they can push themselves more
They are athletes - quite competitive golfers - but the training was more to give them a good outlet to get healthy in the right ways - 6th and 8th grade - both want to play D1 golf - but they workout more for core strength and health…
They are athletes - quite competitive golfers - but the training was more to give them a good outlet to get healthy in the right ways - 6th and 8th grade - both want to play D1 golf - but they workout more for core strength and health…
Posted on 1/31/23 at 1:36 pm to 45RCRoy45
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but they workout more for core strength and health…
they are rotional athletes they should train like one
their trainer sounds like a typical PT who has no understanding of energy systems
let me give you a little clue...your kids do not need to be doing heart rate monitoring or traditional cardio, atleast for sport
golf is an allatic sport, meaning it requires high output burst of energy followed by long bouts of rest.
and a 6th and 8th grader worrying about heart rate is laughable, find a new trainer, preferablly one who works with rotational athletes or atleast one that works with athletes at all
your kids need to be doing getting stronger on the basics and becoming more mobile while working rotational power with med ball work and strength training. I highly suggest you get this book by bill miller LINK
but i will say at their age, simply getting them on something like PPSA DB Strength combined with med ball throws and sprints would do wonders for them
im not gonna answer your original quesiton because i believe its a waste. to develop swing power and exit velo off the club, your kids need to focus on getting stronger in the core areas plus better at med ball throws
core areas-
push- vertical and horzontal
pull- vertical and horizontal
squat
hip hinge
lunge
carry
this isnt rocket science. kids need the basics over and over and dont need to be worried about "core strength" and nothing is more healthy than learning to lift weights.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:35 pm to lsu777
No need for this to get argumentative- but they do work in a few golf related moves but it is for overall fitness and their progress since 2019 has been pretty noticeable- in terms of measuring BF / BMI monthly (the kids don’t get these figures)
He’s a good trainer - has a great relationship with them and wants to challenge them to push themselves physically - to challenge their limits but not exceed them… not sure what all the drama is for…
He’s a good trainer - has a great relationship with them and wants to challenge them to push themselves physically - to challenge their limits but not exceed them… not sure what all the drama is for…
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:44 pm to 45RCRoy45
If their goal is playing D1 golf, they aren't being trained correctly.
Do bowlers need to train for high levels of conditioning?
Do bowlers need to train for high levels of conditioning?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:57 pm to Tiger Ryno
LOL.... uh huh... they do do other things... again.. they enjoy it... they want to get better.. what is the issue? Their golf coach has worked with a several DI and LPGA golfers... he's fine with what they are doing... as they don't do 18 hours of golf a day...
either you have no clue as to the proper monitoring device... or you are just bitter about something... I didn't come here to get TPI lessons... they are doing just fine with that but thank you sir...
either you have no clue as to the proper monitoring device... or you are just bitter about something... I didn't come here to get TPI lessons... they are doing just fine with that but thank you sir...
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:27 pm to 45RCRoy45
A) because kids should be trying to increase their bmi and muscle levels
B) golfers have zero use for any heart rate training
And noticeably would mean they are stronger on key exercises and that is showing up in club head speed and exit velo
But do whatever you want, I’m trying to tell you though….you are being sold a bag of goods that you think looks good.
But whatever, Apple Watch or polar or whoop would be what you are wanting to waste money
Wasn’t any drama btw, and ryno isn’t wrong either, you just don’t have a clue what constitutes a good athletic trainer and you think cause the trainer has your kids exercising(notice I didn’t say training) that he is good
Let me ask you a question have you ever seen a golfer need to jog to the ball? Ever seen them job at all? Having them job is about like having pitchers run poles…..it’s a dumbass take preached by old school dumbass coaches who don’t understand energy systems, demands of the sport and recovery.
But I answered you question, good luck to your kids, hopefully you find them a good trainer one day.
B) golfers have zero use for any heart rate training
And noticeably would mean they are stronger on key exercises and that is showing up in club head speed and exit velo
But do whatever you want, I’m trying to tell you though….you are being sold a bag of goods that you think looks good.
But whatever, Apple Watch or polar or whoop would be what you are wanting to waste money
Wasn’t any drama btw, and ryno isn’t wrong either, you just don’t have a clue what constitutes a good athletic trainer and you think cause the trainer has your kids exercising(notice I didn’t say training) that he is good
Let me ask you a question have you ever seen a golfer need to jog to the ball? Ever seen them job at all? Having them job is about like having pitchers run poles…..it’s a dumbass take preached by old school dumbass coaches who don’t understand energy systems, demands of the sport and recovery.
But I answered you question, good luck to your kids, hopefully you find them a good trainer one day.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:15 pm to lsu777
Agreed on golf. Power output and rotational exercises better than anything else.
I do think a heart rate monitor, for say soccer, makes sense as players can push themselves into the red too often and leave themselves injury prone. Probably not needed until later in high school however. But I think it’s best used in that regard as an injury prevention/fatigue management device more than fitness.
I do think a heart rate monitor, for say soccer, makes sense as players can push themselves into the red too often and leave themselves injury prone. Probably not needed until later in high school however. But I think it’s best used in that regard as an injury prevention/fatigue management device more than fitness.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:34 am to 45RCRoy45
Nothing wrong with tracking HR, especially for HIIT or long distance/time workouts, if that applies here. But for 99.99% of competitive athletes its just a tool you might use to evaluate training, not real time performance, and its very goal specific.
I'm not trying to be snarky, but this is a worrisome statement. I've never heard of HR being used in this way by a coach or trainer unless its monitoring a medical issue. I'm glad you trust this guy as a trainer but I would definitely ask a few more questions about how he would integrate HR monitoring into training.
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he reccomended a heart monitor that he can monitor during the workouts so he can see how hard they are pushing themselves..
I'm not trying to be snarky, but this is a worrisome statement. I've never heard of HR being used in this way by a coach or trainer unless its monitoring a medical issue. I'm glad you trust this guy as a trainer but I would definitely ask a few more questions about how he would integrate HR monitoring into training.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:03 am to lsu777
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lsu777
Damn dude, you are in multiple threads being a complete a-hole. You clearly have some knowledge, but you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.
The OP just having his kids in the gym, especially as girls and at their age, is more than 99% of parents are doing. Do they need a heart rate monitor? Probably not.
But this specialization shite for preteen girls is unnecessary, and for kids in general. It's why kids are getting burnt out and injured at exponential rates. Building overall functional strength is just fine at this point.
Have your kids develop different skills by playing different sports and applying good, well balanced training. An 11 year old doesnt need to "maximize exit velo," So stupid.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:06 am to The Top G
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An 11 year old doesnt need to "maximize exit velo," So stupid.
You think it's stupid for a youth competitive golfer to try to maximize club head speed and rotational power? Interesting.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:08 am to FieldEngineer
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You think it's stupid for a youth competitive golfer to try to maximize club head speed and rotational power? Interesting.
At the expense of pushing them to hate the game? Absolutely.
At that age, being in the the gym developing overall strength and fitness is more than adequate. Putting a small emphasis on some rotational power is fine, but acting like an a-hole telling the OP if he's not sending his kid to KWayne is absurd.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 10:11 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:30 am to The Top G
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At the expense of pushing them to hate the game? Absolutely.
At that age, being in the the gym developing overall strength and fitness is more than adequate. Putting a small emphasis on some rotational power is fine
Agree with all that. The sports specific piece just depends about how serious they are, I guess.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:53 am to The Top G
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But this specialization shite for preteen girls is unnecessary, and for kids in general. It's why kids are getting burnt out and injured at exponential rates. Building overall functional strength is just fine at this point.
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At that age, being in the the gym developing overall strength and fitness is more than adequate. Putting a small emphasis on some rotational power is fine, but acting like an a-hole telling the OP if he's not sending his kid to KWayne is absurd.
did you read anything i wrote? i wasnt being an a-hole and i pretty much said they need to focus on getting stronger overall with basic patterns with a little rotational development and work sprint speed
i said worrying about heart rate for any athlete outside of specific track stuff is dumb AF and im correct on that.
i didnt say they need anything complicated, i said the opposite. the trainer is the one trying to make it complicated worrying about heart rate when the sport they play has nothing to do with heart rate
as far as not being as smart as I think i am.....more than welcome to discuss any topic on this as you see fit. I promise i have a lot more expierence and expertise in this exact scenerio than you do.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:06 am to lsu777
I guess I never thought this would turn into such a debate.. I didn't post this in the golf forum just because I wasn't seeking golf training advice. So since it's turned into a thing.. let me clear up a few issues:
1. Golf Burn Out is a very real thing... I see it all the time. I pretty much let the two girls do their golf stuff on their own and I leave it between them and their coach... I check in periodically and they seem to be doing a great job and I can see improvement... just from what I saw on Sunday... the 14 year old is carrying her 6i about 180 yards... the 12 year old was carrying her 9i about 133 yards... and both are getting to 8% of their target 7/10 times consistently... The older one doesn't even want to play professional golf... she wants to be a college football commentator like Keith Jackson.. so we actually completely took the fall off so she could watch college football all day and night.. She actually was a finalist at Augusta for the Drive Chip and Putt and if not for a putting snafu would have won (she was tied for 1st heading into putting)... I really don't want them to hate me nor the game. I try to really stay out of it - they actually do their golf together every day and they have grown extremely close over this and I am not watching their every move... and they work with their coach and I put that on them too.. I don't get involved.. because at the end of the day... it's for them.. not me..
2. They are both homeschooled and a real workout routine with a trainer was important to mom and dad... the older one is a real machine.. she is up at 5am every day (on her own.. I've never told her to do that).. she reads her bible for an hour (again was never told to) then works out on her own.. then does golf on her own before her sister joins her.... we had to actually limit the older one from working out too much because she would do it three x a day if she could... and the younger one is John Daly meets John McEnroe but she has turned a real corner over the past year and is working her tail off... the gains have been substantial for both of them physically and mentally ...
3. I go to lunch once a month with the trainer to get an update... and he said that he wanted to challenge their endurance and push them a bit... which is why he mentioned the heart monitor.. I really don't see the harm in their golfing if they want to get really fit and especially the older one wants to learn how to push herself to new limits... I don't sit in the gym and watch them... I check in with their trainer once a month and he's done a great job for them... every move they make is not done to maximize their golf future... I really try to lay out there is much more to life.. but if this is what they love we will support them and do the best we can as long as they are doing the best they can...
4. About other sports.. I totally agree that kids should delay specialization as long as it is prudent - they both played basketball at a pretty high level till COVID. The older one played in boys leagues till the league wouldn't let her any longer and she would score 18-20 points a game ... but she choose golf over basketball... she was playing AAU basketball and she was a defensive stopper and routinely shut down the best player on the other team big or small.. and she got alot of physical reprisals from other teams.. we saw her get punched, elbowed, undercut etc... in games.. I think she was done with all that.. I honestly never thought they'd be golfers as I am a terrible one.. but thankfully my genes skipped them I guess. Travel basketball and high level golf have intense commitments starting around 6th grade... so they had to make a choice..
5. They have alot of other hobbies too.. they watch alot of old movies... I've been doing this with them since they could understand movies... their first move was Casablanca.. I have watched so any westerns and hitchcock and other classic movies that they now prefer older movies and we talk about them... We talk about history and watch and read about WWII and the civil war etc...
I am just saying this because I get the sense that some posters think I am just driving them to be Tiger Woods which is far from the case... just a dad trying to maximize his time with my kids and give them the best opportunity to grow up and be self-actualized adults who can really lead a life they are proud of.... anyway... all this drama over asking for a recommendation on heart monitors... oh my...
1. Golf Burn Out is a very real thing... I see it all the time. I pretty much let the two girls do their golf stuff on their own and I leave it between them and their coach... I check in periodically and they seem to be doing a great job and I can see improvement... just from what I saw on Sunday... the 14 year old is carrying her 6i about 180 yards... the 12 year old was carrying her 9i about 133 yards... and both are getting to 8% of their target 7/10 times consistently... The older one doesn't even want to play professional golf... she wants to be a college football commentator like Keith Jackson.. so we actually completely took the fall off so she could watch college football all day and night.. She actually was a finalist at Augusta for the Drive Chip and Putt and if not for a putting snafu would have won (she was tied for 1st heading into putting)... I really don't want them to hate me nor the game. I try to really stay out of it - they actually do their golf together every day and they have grown extremely close over this and I am not watching their every move... and they work with their coach and I put that on them too.. I don't get involved.. because at the end of the day... it's for them.. not me..
2. They are both homeschooled and a real workout routine with a trainer was important to mom and dad... the older one is a real machine.. she is up at 5am every day (on her own.. I've never told her to do that).. she reads her bible for an hour (again was never told to) then works out on her own.. then does golf on her own before her sister joins her.... we had to actually limit the older one from working out too much because she would do it three x a day if she could... and the younger one is John Daly meets John McEnroe but she has turned a real corner over the past year and is working her tail off... the gains have been substantial for both of them physically and mentally ...
3. I go to lunch once a month with the trainer to get an update... and he said that he wanted to challenge their endurance and push them a bit... which is why he mentioned the heart monitor.. I really don't see the harm in their golfing if they want to get really fit and especially the older one wants to learn how to push herself to new limits... I don't sit in the gym and watch them... I check in with their trainer once a month and he's done a great job for them... every move they make is not done to maximize their golf future... I really try to lay out there is much more to life.. but if this is what they love we will support them and do the best we can as long as they are doing the best they can...
4. About other sports.. I totally agree that kids should delay specialization as long as it is prudent - they both played basketball at a pretty high level till COVID. The older one played in boys leagues till the league wouldn't let her any longer and she would score 18-20 points a game ... but she choose golf over basketball... she was playing AAU basketball and she was a defensive stopper and routinely shut down the best player on the other team big or small.. and she got alot of physical reprisals from other teams.. we saw her get punched, elbowed, undercut etc... in games.. I think she was done with all that.. I honestly never thought they'd be golfers as I am a terrible one.. but thankfully my genes skipped them I guess. Travel basketball and high level golf have intense commitments starting around 6th grade... so they had to make a choice..
5. They have alot of other hobbies too.. they watch alot of old movies... I've been doing this with them since they could understand movies... their first move was Casablanca.. I have watched so any westerns and hitchcock and other classic movies that they now prefer older movies and we talk about them... We talk about history and watch and read about WWII and the civil war etc...
I am just saying this because I get the sense that some posters think I am just driving them to be Tiger Woods which is far from the case... just a dad trying to maximize his time with my kids and give them the best opportunity to grow up and be self-actualized adults who can really lead a life they are proud of.... anyway... all this drama over asking for a recommendation on heart monitors... oh my...
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:22 am to 45RCRoy45
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I am just saying this because I get the sense that some posters think I am just driving them to be Tiger Woods which is far from the case... just a dad trying to maximize his time with my kids and give them the best opportunity to grow up and be self-actualized adults who can really lead a life they are proud of.... anyway... all this drama over asking for a recommendation on heart monitors... oh my
ftr i didnt get that since at all and sounds like you are raising great kids
i was just stating for their sport and fitness in general...heart rate training is dumb
they need to be trying to put on muscle more than anything is all i was saying, and that goes for sport and general fitness/aesthetics
but based on what you said....whoop would be best just so they can monitor overall workload
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:26 am to lsu777
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fitness in general...heart rate training is dumb
No it's not.
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whoop would be best just so they can monitor overall workload
The new Whoop is a total piece of shite. The accuracy on it sucks, miles worse than the last iteration. But you do need an all day tracker. Just tracking workouts is pretty useless, over all workload and sleep/recovery are just as important.
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