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Have gotten kind of serious with running

Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by Cmk07c
Metairie
Member since Jan 2017
218 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:16 am
Hey folks, been lurking since I started exercising recently. About 2 and a half months ago I binged on a cake the wife had made and felt truly gross to the point of the next morning I just started jogging at daybreak. Made it maybe a mile at a sorry pace initially. Fast forward today and I'm jogging roughly 7 miles with relative ease. That's probably averaging 8 minutes per mile. Honestly finding an hour is hardest part.

As far as other exercising I will occasionally supplement my cardio with jumping jacks, pushups, sit ups, etc. I do not really enjoy this aspect of fitness. The running is a rush, there's always that next bend you can try to get to, and that feeling I get when I stop in the driveway is great. Have any of you other runners found something to add to the regiment that have a similar frame of mind? And anyone have a regiment they prefer, it's probably not wise to do 4 to 7 miles, 5 days in a row, which is what I've been doing. Really looking for advice/regiment to maintain my desire and at the same time not wear myself out.

I haven't altered my diet which I'm sure limits me. Not sure I have the self control yet to tackle this aspect. Maybe some day. But luckily I have lost 10 pounds still. I'm around 185 and about 6'. Have I plateaued with weight loss without changing diet?
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32398 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:22 am to
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And anyone have a regiment they prefer, it's probably not wise to do 4 to 7 miles, 5 days in a row, which is what I've been doing. Really looking for advice/regiment to maintain my desire and at the same time not wear myself out.


i'd take a break in there. just one, but a rest day is a good thing. as far as regiment, are you training for anything, or just enjoying running? if you're just enjoying running, stick with what you want to do. if you want to race a 10k or a marathon, get on a plan for that.

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But luckily I have lost 10 pounds still. I'm around 185 and about 6'. Have I plateaued with weight loss without changing diet?



probably. i started doing whole 30 with my wife this month and went from 185ish to 175ish with the exact same amount of exercise i was doing before hand. you might also look at the alcohol thread, if that's of any interest to you.
Posted by Cmk07c
Metairie
Member since Jan 2017
218 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:05 am to
3,

I'm not training for anything, atleast I didn't start doing this for that. However, doing the crescent city classic in 2 months has now crossed my mind. Honestly think I could do that today. Started really just because of my eating habitats and realizing I'm 30 and need to be doing something.

I'll be sure to tone it down and get the break day in. I haven't ran on weekends too much though. Yesterday did get a little sore, good news is it motivated me to get some decent running shoes from the running store.

I do not drink too much, but when I do it's strictly beer. I'll take a peak at that thread. Now that hunting season is closing I'll tone that down, but right after that starts crawfish season, so be back on the brews come March and April. I'm strictly a weekend drinker, don't drink at all during the week. Like I said maybe in future I'll have desire and self control to access the diet part of this. Honestly if I didn't have half the temptation in my house i would be better off. Patatoe chips and crackers are my enemey.

Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:40 am to
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it's probably not wise to do 4 to 7 miles, 5 days in a row, which is what I've been doing


All depends on your level of fitness. If 4 miles doesn't leave your legs feeling tired the next day, then you can just consider that your base fitness level and it's really not that taxing on you if you take it easy. If you constantly feel tired in your legs, then it's probably worth a rest day.

And it's not just the miles, it's the intensity. I can run an easy 10 miles and not really feel too bad the next day. But I ran 5 miles yesterday with 20 minutes in the middle being an up tempo "5k race pace". I'm not sore, but the legs are tired today. One of the things I like about triathlon....It's a swim day so I can still be active even though my legs are a bit tired.

In terms of doing the CCC, I wouldn't even flinch about your ability to do that. Stay on your same schedule. Just make every other run shorter and/or super easy paced so that it's active recovery for the previous day. For a 10k, I'd probably keep all my runs in the 3-5 mile range except once a week do a long run. At the fitness level you are already at, I think you can make that long run 8-10 miles before the race. Add 10% a week to your total miles. Probably not the best way to truly be fast for a 10k, but as a first timer, a 10 mile run about a week and a half before the race would be a huge confidence thing for me. 6.2 will not be scary at all.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35333 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:51 pm to
If you went from not being a runner, to casually going out and running basically a 49minute 10k, then you have a good cardio base. How old are you?

Look into training programs using heart-rate and Jack Daniels zones, and mix in fun outdoors activities, biking, and swimming to break it up. Add in some strength training.

And
quote:

Have I plateaued with weight loss without changing diet?


without knowing more, my general answer is yes. I actually gain weight when more serious about training, probably mostly from muscle mass, but I also tend to eat more and justify eating more.
Posted by Cmk07c
Metairie
Member since Jan 2017
218 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:24 pm to
quote:

If you went from not being a runner, to casually going out and running basically a 49minute 10k, then you have a good cardio base. How old are you? 

Look into training programs using heart-rate and Jack Daniels zones, and mix in fun outdoors activities, biking, and swimming to break it up. Add in some strength training. 


I'm 30, I'll look into the jack Daniels thing. The outdoors stuff does sound appealing.
Posted by highpockets
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2015
2094 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:35 pm to
rest days are as important as actual running.
Depending on your goal 3-4 runs days is plenty, vary your run distance..
Day 1 5 miles easy
Day 2 rest/cross train/weights no leg work
Day 3 3 miles doing 5x3 or 4 minute intervals
Day 4 Rest/cross train, etc
Day 5 8-10 miles at a slow pace to build endurance.
No shame in walking on the "long run" day if needed.
Posted by Cmk07c
Metairie
Member since Jan 2017
218 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

rest days are as important as actual running. 
Depending on your goal 3-4 runs days is plenty, vary your run distance.. 
Day 1 5 miles easy 
Day 2 rest/cross train/weights no leg work 
Day 3 3 miles doing 5x3 or 4 minute intervals 
Day 4 Rest/cross train, etc 
Day 5 8-10 miles at a slow pace to build endurance. 
No shame in walking on the "long run" day if needed. 




Sorry for my ignorance but what is 5x3 or 4 minute intervals? Like 3 minutes of increased/max pace 5 times or 4 minutes hard, 4 minutes easier? Once again sorry for the ignorance.

Also, cross train being? Something non run, yet fitness?
Posted by lsucm10
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
1418 posts
Posted on 1/25/18 at 3:28 pm to
I think a rest day midweek will do you some good. For your long runs on Saturday you can look at the Varsity Sports calendar to see where they are running that morning. If you can run 7 miles, then the CCC 10k would not be a big deal, other than it being a organized race. Top 500 males and females get a free poster. (I think thats the amount). If you find out you enjoy racing and want to try a half then a marathon I would find a plan like others have mentioned. I like Advanced Marathoning by Pfitzinger and I follow the 18/55 plan. 18 weeks with a peak of 55 miles in a week.
Posted by highpockets
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2015
2094 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 7:31 am to
You want to take it easy on your legs on off days you can lift, swim, row, work on core, just go easy on legs, if you want to do leg work with weights do it on the days you run.

...on the intervals, run your normal pace or a slight bit slower, then do 2/3/4 minutes at a challenging pace, then rest at your normal pace, for 2-4 minutes, rinse repeat 5 times.

Basically change up your routine, running 6 miles same pace every day will not challenge your body to get faster, stronger and build endurance. You can surely find a training plan that gives you a better explanation and structure than I can.
Posted by Cmk07c
Metairie
Member since Jan 2017
218 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:03 am to
quote:

You want to take it easy on your legs on off days you can lift, swim, row, work on core, just go easy on legs, if you want to do leg work with weights do it on the days you run. 

...on the intervals, run your normal pace or a slight bit slower, then do 2/3/4 minutes at a challenging pace, then rest at your normal pace, for 2-4 minutes, rinse repeat 5 times. 

Basically change up your routine, running 6 miles same pace every day will not challenge your body to get faster, stronger and build endurance. You can surely find a training plan that gives you a better explanation and structure than I can.


Thanks high pockets. The intervals really makes sense as now my runs are pretty stable with either 3 or 6 miles. Just kind of maintain a steady pace.

And thanks others for pointing me in a good direction. Took a rest day Wednesday and might even take another today. Hate to say it but my left knee has been getting a little sore on last two outings.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 8:28 am to
It's good to just have different pace days. When you are really building up distance. Most of your training is VERY easy running to build up an aerobic base and put miles in your legs. Maybe 20% is interval or threshold running.

For instance. This week for me is 45 min run with 20 minutes in the middle at race pace. Then every other run is easy, relaxed, have a conversation while running pace.

Week prior, my harder run was 1 hour and after warming up, did 4 intervals of 6 minutes at threshold with 2 minutes rest. Then just easy ran afterwards. But every other run that week was super easy.

The easy runs let you build mileage without destroying your legs. The fast days let you get used to moving faster.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32398 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 9:17 am to
quote:

Hate to say it but my left knee has been getting a little sore on last two outings.


rest day is as important as any other training day. i ran a half marathon on Tuesday and would have been dead if i had tried to keep up normal mileage Wednesday and Thursday. felt really fresh since then.

i elliptical a shite ton to keep my mileage a week up and take it easy on my legs. don't care if that makes me gay. it's decent cardio that gives the legs a rest.
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