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Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by pressurized
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:04 pm to
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talking with a friend of mine yesterday and he's just been diagnosed with type 2 diabetes -- any information about doing carnivore in his situation?


Tell him to read Casey Means book Good Energy. The carnivore diet should help him regulate his blood sugar and hormone levels, but she makes the argument for fiber to improve the gut microbiome. The good news is type 2 diabetes is completely treatable, and even preventable.
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2982 posts
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:27 pm to
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how much ground meat are you eating?


It’s varied a little bit because because I can only eat so much/so many days of any one cut. I’d say maybe 1/2lb a day.
Chuck roast and ribeyes have been the only meats I’ve enjoyed eating so far. I ate a bowl of chuck roast with fried egg on top for breakfast and that was appetizing. I tried ribs this weekend and that didn’t sit well with my stomach at all.
I think I’ll stick to chuck roast, ground beef, eggs, and the occasional ribeye for now.
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:40 pm to
I’m on day 2 for first time. Mild headaches today and mild cravings. Going to do this until 2/28 when we go on cruise with a 3 day break in mid feb for when we have a d. Phuong king cake being delivered. Hope to lose 10 pounds or so. Will try again after cruise if things go well
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 8:44 pm to
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Mild headaches today and mild cravings.


Go get some “lite salt” from a local grocery store/amazon and put anywhere from 1/8 tsp to 1/4 tsp in 20 oz of water. Drink 2-3 of those throughout the day and supplement with magnesium glycinate.
There’s no way in hell I’d do this without electrolytes
Posted by lsugerberbaby
baton rouge
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 8:38 am to
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Go get some “lite salt”


Please do not get this garbage. If you're going to do Carnivore, don't skimp on salts. Start using more mineral rich salts like Celtic or a lot of people use Redmon's Real (Sea) Salt.

You should salt pretty liberally. Again, it goes against everything we've all been taught...that salt is bad for you. You need salt for hydration, but make sure it's of good quality.

Keep eating a lot of red meat and salt the hell out of it and load it with grass-fed butter. A lot of what people experience in the first week (headaches, fatigue, diarrhea) are all part of your body cleansing itself, and getting used to burning fats in lieu of carbs.
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2982 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 8:54 am to
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If you're going to do Carnivore, don't skimp on salts.


Don’t listen to this guy lol. I salt my foods with Celtic salt but “lite salt” is a great way to get potassium. It has almost the same sodium/potassium ratio as many of the big name electrolyte supplements out there and works absolute wonders when fasting. It’s helped me and many other people tremendously adjust to a keto diet.

Most people agree that the keto flu comes from electrolyte imbalances. Not sure what you mean by your body “cleanses itself”.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 8:58 am
Posted by b_w
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:03 am to
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I think I’ll stick to chuck roast, ground beef, eggs, and the occasional ribeye for now.


Maybe add some bacon if you looking for a bit more variety. Been a staple of mine to fry bacon then scramble eggs in grease almost every am.

I think you said you doing this for cognitive benefits but what about weight? Did you have extra lbs to lose or already pretty trim? As of this am I'm down 13lbs. since start, if I didn't have that extra giggle to start not sure I would have embarked on this...

Not expert on preferred salts but been using Himalayan sea salt since I had some around the house
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 9:13 am to
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Maybe add some bacon if you looking for a bit more variety. Been a staple of mine to fry bacon then scramble eggs in grease almost every am.


For some reason bacon seems to give me indigestion. My buddy, who is doing this with me, experienced the same thing. We both got our bacon from Costco so maybe that has something to do with it.
I needed to lose about 10lbs and I’m down 14lbs as of this morning. I’m fine with losing some more fat but I need to pack on some muscle soon as well.
I settled on Celtic salt after doing a lot of research. A lot of people use redmans but others were saying it’s recently tested high for heavy metals and sometimes can be gritty. Celtic was the next highest recommended salt so I went with that. No complaints there or with my modified electrolyte drink.
Posted by lsugerberbaby
baton rouge
Member since Mar 2008
3038 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:29 am to
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Don’t listen to this guy lol


Yeah, use Lite Salt which has six ingredients (Salt, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Silicate, Magnesium Carbonate, Dextrose, Potassium Iodide) vs Celtic, which is one ingredient (Salt).

Most people that get on Carnivore are trying to cut out the crap that's in foods.

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“cleanses itself”


From all the BS carbs that most people are using the fuel their body. Carbs they don't need.
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2982 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 10:53 am to
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Yeah, use Lite Salt which has six ingredients (Salt, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Silicate, Magnesium Carbonate, Dextrose, Potassium Iodide) vs Celtic, which is one ingredient (Salt). Most people that get on Carnivore are trying to cut out the crap that's in foods.


You can’t be serious lol. You realize that 3/6 of those are absolutely necessary and another is used to keep the iodine from oxidizing?
You also realize there are heavy metals in pretty much all salts, including Celtic salt?
If you want to ensure literally zero unnecessary biological compounds enter your bloodstream then I’d recommend you go live in the middle of New Zealand. If you want to get over the keto flu, like that guy mentioned, then I’d go go straight to the root of the issue: electrolytes. Lite salt has helped me and countless other people deal with the keto flu. I’ll keep using it and recommending it to others

You know what happens when your body runs out of its glycogen stores (“cleanses its carbs”)? You lose a tremendous amount of water that the glycogen was holding into. Electrolytes go with that water. The loss of those electrolytes is what creates those adverse feelings. Not a “carbohydrate cleanse” lol

I’d recommend you inform yourself a little more and not jump to conclusions before coming in here and misleading people about useful information that can help them adjust to a ketogenic diet.

A better method would have been to come on here and say, “hey, here is an economical source for electrolytes that has a good soodium/potassium ratio and can help you get your iodine that may be better than lite salt”. Instead you just called something garbage when you had no clue what its intended use was for.

Update: sodium/potassium ratios for those who may want an alternative to lite salt.

LMNT S/P = 1,000/200mg
1/4 tsp Celtic Potassium S/P = 400/239
1/4 tsp Lite Salt S/P = 290/350

You can play around with both the amounts lite salt and Celtic Potassium to get your desired ratio. I like the higher ratio of P/S in lite salt for an electrolyte drink because I salt my foods so heavily.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 11:50 am
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10515 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:13 pm to
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For those that of you who’ve done this, how did you start?


Start with meats that you love, the fattier the better. If you have the means, dont start the penny pincher way. You can always do that later once you are settled in. Go buy some ribeyes or some cut you love.

Eat till you are stuffed and as much/often as you want to. You may decide to dial that in at some point but the key here is to make things as easy and enjoyable for yourself as possible.

The first two weeks will be brutal if youve never done anything like it before. Youll feel bad, you may not sleep well, you will have the runs if you eat a really fatty cut of meat. You will crave a krispy kreme donut or cookies at some random afternoon hour. Push through. This diet is like a huge stone that starts very slow but once you get it started, it gets easier to move. Eventually, you feel good, sugar cravings go away, you start craving the meat instead, sleep gets better and the very few poops you do have are normal.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 12:15 pm
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10515 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:18 pm to
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Mild headaches today and mild cravings.


Go get some “lite salt” from a local grocery store/amazon and put anywhere from 1/8 tsp to 1/4 tsp in 20 oz of water. Drink 2-3 of those throughout the day and supplement with magnesium glycinate.
There’s no way in hell I’d do this without electrolytes


Ive had to do salt during long fasts but never carnivore. I just salt my steaks heavily and I think that takes care of it
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2982 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:28 pm to
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Ive had to do salt during long fasts but never carnivore. I just salt my steaks heavily and I think that takes care of it


Based off of your posts in here it seems as if you have a decent amount of experience with ketogenic diets? I’d imagine people who are transitioning from carb heavy diets to ketogenesis for the first time would have a worse time with the keto flu. It’s been hell for my buddy and I but it seems as if supplementing with electrolytes have been helpful
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11127 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:01 pm to
If you are getting headaches - supplement with sodium, magnesium, potassium

If you need more fats - use avocados or get a clean guac dip like Sabra and put two dollops on at least two meals a day.

if you needs snacks - make bacon chips buy 3 pounds of bacon and quarter it up and throw it in a pot on stove on high and stir it occasionally for about 15 to 20 min depending on how crispy or not you like your bacon. Put on a plate with paper towel and let sit for 20 mins. Throw it in a gallon ziplock bag and use them like you would potato chips once or twice a day having a small to medium serving

These things helped me when I started. Especially adding avocado to every meal for extra fats
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10515 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:50 pm to
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quote:Ive had to do salt during long fasts but never carnivore. I just salt my steaks heavily and I think that takes care of it Based off of your posts in here it seems as if you have a decent amount of experience with ketogenic diets? I’d imagine people who are transitioning from carb heavy diets to ketogenesis for the first time would have a worse time with the keto flu. It’s been hell for my buddy and I but it seems as if supplementing with electrolytes have been helpful


Thats a fair assessment. I definitely have adapted to a certain degree. It definitely wouldnt hurt to try extra electrolytes if one is experiencing keto flu. I guess my post was towards carnivore practice in general and not necessarily those new to it.

Supplementing electrolytes is definitely a good thing to try if one is struggling.
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2982 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:03 pm to
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guess my post was towards carnivore practice in general and not necessarily those new to it.


I assumed that’s what you were meaning. My guess is that overtime your body adjusts enough that the potassium you get from meat is sufficient. I’ve played around with my diet/the world of nutrition for a long time now but this is my first serious rodeo with a ketogenic diet (other than trying out the atkins diet in high school lol) so my body doesn’t know what the hell is going on. It doesn’t help that my wife is German so I’m currently “detoxing” a lot of bread and pastries right now lol
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18305 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 11:50 am to
On day 4, headache gone. Losing weight already, no more bloating feels great. I take good vitamins, have a Thorne professional account I get half off. Had dreams last night about eating berries and other foods.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
17007 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:02 pm to
I agree, something about salt. You go in hospital that Iv they give you saline. And it’s a massive dose.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10515 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:28 pm to
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On day 4, headache gone. Losing weight already, no more bloating feels great. I take good vitamins, have a Thorne professional account I get half off. Had dreams last night about eating berries and other foods.


Awesome and I can relate with the strange dreams about food. They go away eventually
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
17007 posts
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:41 pm to
I love bread and toast. There’s a lot of so-called keto breads on the market as a diabetic keto breads are a Knogo for me along with white rice, oats, grits, and the such if it says keto read the labels if you want keto make your own keto bread.
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