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re: Carb Craving
Posted on 6/3/17 at 5:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 6/3/17 at 5:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
150g is not even close to enough to push an active individual into insulin resistance especially if it comes from lower GI sources.
As far as the rest of my post, I take it that you didn't read it. The health benifits gained from going Keto for 3-4 weeks then binging due to it not working with the OPs lifestyle are small.
Compare that to the health benifits of losing 40 lbs of fat while eating a diet that fits your lifestyle and doing a short term Keto diet is just stupid. Especially if you don't learn shite about food, how to read labels and how to track macros.
You and many other ketotards tend to think the only way to health is Keto and it's not even close to be true. It also provides the smallest metabolic advantage of the diets I listed. People have to do what works for them, low carb high fat is not the only way.
Now if you have read my other post in the last on what I recommend and what I do myself you would see I am anything but a Keto hater, quite the opposite. I almost always recommend that people go 4-6 week with zero sugar to break the addiction. I almost exclusively recommend the whole30 diet to those with problems involving the heart. I scream from the roof tops to those that have loved ones with cancer or have themselves that they should be on no carbs as cancer feeds exclusively on glucose.
I have also preached the undeniable metabolic effects of going on the rapid fatloss handbook version of a psmf and have screamed how great a true fat fast is for fat loss. But both of these are just scientific approaches to crash dieting and we have to understand they don't you good habits, how to truely read labels, or how to really track macros. And they also are unsustainable.
My point is people have to decide what works best and is sustainable for them. Not everyone has the will power that you or myself have and the last thing we want is for somebody to develop a disorder due to them thinking their are good and bad foods. And frankly for an overweight person that is not diabetic, losing fat in general is going to fix most of their insulin problems.
Keto is great and a solution for many but not all.
As far as the rest of my post, I take it that you didn't read it. The health benifits gained from going Keto for 3-4 weeks then binging due to it not working with the OPs lifestyle are small.
Compare that to the health benifits of losing 40 lbs of fat while eating a diet that fits your lifestyle and doing a short term Keto diet is just stupid. Especially if you don't learn shite about food, how to read labels and how to track macros.
You and many other ketotards tend to think the only way to health is Keto and it's not even close to be true. It also provides the smallest metabolic advantage of the diets I listed. People have to do what works for them, low carb high fat is not the only way.
Now if you have read my other post in the last on what I recommend and what I do myself you would see I am anything but a Keto hater, quite the opposite. I almost always recommend that people go 4-6 week with zero sugar to break the addiction. I almost exclusively recommend the whole30 diet to those with problems involving the heart. I scream from the roof tops to those that have loved ones with cancer or have themselves that they should be on no carbs as cancer feeds exclusively on glucose.
I have also preached the undeniable metabolic effects of going on the rapid fatloss handbook version of a psmf and have screamed how great a true fat fast is for fat loss. But both of these are just scientific approaches to crash dieting and we have to understand they don't you good habits, how to truely read labels, or how to really track macros. And they also are unsustainable.
My point is people have to decide what works best and is sustainable for them. Not everyone has the will power that you or myself have and the last thing we want is for somebody to develop a disorder due to them thinking their are good and bad foods. And frankly for an overweight person that is not diabetic, losing fat in general is going to fix most of their insulin problems.
Keto is great and a solution for many but not all.
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Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:03 pm to busbeepbeep
quote:
supplement electrolytes
Any suggestions? How do I do this?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 12:57 am to Badman
quote:
Any suggestions? How do I do this?
Magnesium, Potassium, Sodium plus 3+ liters of water intake daily
Magnesium: Chelated form in pill. Magnesium Citrate, Magnesium Glycinate
Potassium/Sodium: Get lite salt, take 1 tsp daily. Just mix in a small bit of water and take it like a shot.
It won't taste good.
LINK
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:36 pm to lsu777
Lsu777 is the goat
Posted on 6/5/17 at 6:53 am to busbeepbeep
quote:
would die if this was all the carbs I ate a day. Holy shite but you wouldn't. Not saying you should, but everyone could do it. The important thing is to increase water intake and supplement electrolytes as your body transitions into being adapted to ketogenic state.
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:11 pm to lsu777
quote:Agree to disagree.
150g is not even close to enough to push an active individual into insulin resistance especially if it comes from lower GI sources.
quote:Of course I read it and of course I agree with the premise that every individual must find a sustainable eating lifestyle.
As far as the rest of my post, I take it that you didn't read it. The health benifits gained from going Keto for 3-4 weeks then binging due to it not working with the OPs lifestyle are small.
Compare that to the health benifits of losing 40 lbs of fat while eating a diet that fits your lifestyle and doing a short term Keto diet is just stupid. Especially if you don't learn shite about food, how to read labels and how to track macros.
quote:I don't even do keto or have it as a goal. My main thesis, however, is if the average person ate a LCHFish diet, then they would be healthier - and with the side benefit of dropping pounds. Stated differently, long-term - eating lifestyle should be ONLY for the purpose of achieving health goals (which I would distill to: disease-free longevity.)
You and many other ketotards tend to think the only way to health is Keto and it's not even close to be true. It also provides the smallest metabolic advantage of the diets I listed. People have to do what works for them, low carb high fat is not the only way.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:18 am to tigerlife36
quote:
and a small portion of mashed potatoes
eat better (much better) carbs--this is sugar.
eat more fat.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:26 am to McLemore
quote:
eat better (much better) carbs--this is sugar.
eat more fat.
DUDE STOP!!!! KETO is not the only way.
god damn ketotards are everywhere today
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:28 am to lsu777
quote:
DUDE STOP!!!! KETO is not the only way.
god damn ketotards are everywhere today
Calm down dude. I've noticed you've been in attack mode lately which is really against the spirit of this board. Otherwise you're a great asset here.
I said nothing about keto in this post. I'm not in ketosis. Not a goal.
But if the boy is hungry and eating mashed potatoes and a load of protein, and is still fat, then maybe more fat would help.
Did you add roids to your workout routine?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:11 am to McLemore
NO I started rapid fatloss handbook so I am hungry all the time, therefore cranky. Sorry if I came off on attack mode, its just that was like the 3rd post I read in the morning that was stating lower carbs etc when its just about calories. But keto does help control hunger.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:33 am to lsu777
quote:Would you please provide more support for your contention that caloric composition has minimal impact on calorie out? Thx.
stating lower carbs etc when its just about calories.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
Not really getting what you are asking for. But as far as iifym style dieting and while calories in vs calories out matter so much please see layne norton. He has dozens of studies proving that iifym style diet works and explains why.
Hope this is what you were talking about, if not let me know.
Hope this is what you were talking about, if not let me know.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:27 pm to lsu777
quote:
If eating low carb doesn't fit your life style, don't do it. Try tracking your macros and using iifym. More than one way to skin a cat.
Diet and exercise doesn't fit my lifestyle. Yet, here I am.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:54 pm to lsu777
quote:I'm talking about your strident claim that macro allocation doesn't (greatly) impact calorie out. The basis of the Taubesian "a calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie" school is that metabolic reactions to various foods potentially have a big impact on how your body treats/uses energy. You seem to have a big disagreement with that and I'm hoping to be directed to more information.
Hope this is what you were talking about, if not let me know.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 2:36 pm to lsu777
Layne posted a video a few weeks ago discussing his blood work results with a doctor. His blood work was perfect
The studies don't show any greater health benefit to a high fat low carb diet than eating a controlled iifym style approach with high protein
The studies don't show any greater health benefit to a high fat low carb diet than eating a controlled iifym style approach with high protein
Posted on 6/6/17 at 2:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
Oh ok, sorry misunderstood, I'll post some stuff tomorrow then. I am of the belief that a calorie is a calorie except the energy you use to process protein. I'll post stuff up tomorrow when I am back at my computer.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 3:31 pm to lsu777
quote:Yeah, that's plausible. I guess I view "LCHF" as more "LC but figure out your best ratio of protein/fat and if you need more energy eat more fat but if you're gaining weight eat more protein". IOW, cutting carbs makes a lot more room for protein - which should improve your "calorie out".
I am of the belief that a calorie is a calorie except the energy you use to process protein.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 4:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
article contains references to studies
LINK
references at bottom
LINK
First article by layne references the thermal effect of food and how protein is so much more than the other macros.
This was just a quick google search. But if you study IIFYM or energy balance in general you will find the answer.
But to answer your question there are studies that show quality matters also, but consistancy is the most important part. You will never know exactly what you TDEE is. BUt if you track the foods you eat you can adjust based off of 2 week averages. Once you get the trend going....well the trend is your friend. Once you plateau you adjust again. Eventually you will need to reverse diet out to reset metabolism or use drugs to either reset insulin sensitvity and your metabolic system.
LINK
references at bottom
LINK
First article by layne references the thermal effect of food and how protein is so much more than the other macros.
This was just a quick google search. But if you study IIFYM or energy balance in general you will find the answer.
But to answer your question there are studies that show quality matters also, but consistancy is the most important part. You will never know exactly what you TDEE is. BUt if you track the foods you eat you can adjust based off of 2 week averages. Once you get the trend going....well the trend is your friend. Once you plateau you adjust again. Eventually you will need to reverse diet out to reset metabolism or use drugs to either reset insulin sensitvity and your metabolic system.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 5:57 pm to lsu777
quote:I don't disagree with much of what he says in that article. I can only point out that all the LCHF people (myself included) that I've been acquainted with have simply stopped counting calories and watched the weight melt off. I expect that's 80-90% due to increased satiety from same calories and 10-20% from the protein effect mentioned. But in any event, I still go back to my core position: eating should be done with health in mind and all the rest will follow (e.g. weight loss). If it doesn't, you can easily tweak intake and still keep the health.
First article by layne references the thermal effect of food and how protein is so much more than the other macros.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 7:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
Oh I agree, I just find many people are not willing to make those sacrifices or just aren't ready yet. Some are young and don't care that much and most it's because they lack will power.
And the reason you don't overeat much on Keto is because it does a really good job of curbing appetite on top of the reasons you mentioned.
And the reason you don't overeat much on Keto is because it does a really good job of curbing appetite on top of the reasons you mentioned.
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