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Are plant-based protein powders as effective as animal-based ones?
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 11/8/23 at 3:51 pm
I am a 57 year old male with arteriosclerosis. At my doctors strong recommendation, I changed my diet significantly (Mediterranean) and started walking/jogging which resulted in a lot of weight loss over the last year. The lifestyle change is effective (and permanent) since the last labs showed big improvements in lipids, A1C, glucose, etc. My overall health is much better but I need to gain more muscle.
My caloric intake has averaged about 1700 calories a day because I have low daily restrictions on carbs, saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. I started weightlifting recently and need to increase my protein intake. Unfortunately, I am not supposed to eat any red meat, eggs, or shellfish. I take protein powder for an extra 20g of protein daily but I still only average 75g of protein in my diet each day. Whey protein powder contains cholesterol so I can't increase my intake. Are the plant-based high protein supplements worth a damn? Will I see similar results compared to animal-based protein powder? Thanks for all replies.
My caloric intake has averaged about 1700 calories a day because I have low daily restrictions on carbs, saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. I started weightlifting recently and need to increase my protein intake. Unfortunately, I am not supposed to eat any red meat, eggs, or shellfish. I take protein powder for an extra 20g of protein daily but I still only average 75g of protein in my diet each day. Whey protein powder contains cholesterol so I can't increase my intake. Are the plant-based high protein supplements worth a damn? Will I see similar results compared to animal-based protein powder? Thanks for all replies.
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Posted on 11/8/23 at 4:15 pm to Grillades
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Are the plant-based high protein supplements worth a damn? Will I see similar results compared to animal-based protein powder?
No
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Plant-based protein sources generally have a lower leucine content (7.1% ± 0.8%) than animal-based protein sources (8.8% ± 0.7% and even more than 10% in certain dairy proteins) [53,78].
I heard it put this way recently. Plant protein is used to build plants in nature. Animal protein is used to build animals in nature. Are you a plant?
I’m not saying it’s useless, but it makes sense that the amino acid profile would be different such that you might need way more grams of it to get the necessary amino acids.
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Whey protein powder contains cholesterol so I can't increase my intake
Does it? Either way, dietary cholesterol does not increase serum cholesterol.
This post was edited on 11/8/23 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 11/8/23 at 9:43 pm to Grillades
I have a milk protein allergy. I can’t do whey or caisine protein. I use a product from EVL that is plant based. I’ve been using it for years. I think it works. May not be the best but it works for me.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 6:00 am to Earnest_P
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dietary cholesterol does not increase serum cholesterol
This.
Isopure has a zero carb option.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 6:42 am to Earnest_P
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Either way, dietary cholesterol does not increase serum cholesterol.
I was hoping to avoid this debate. My cardiologist believes that it does affect serum cholesterol but I have seen a lot of conflicting info. I will research it further to determine if I should break the current regimen and increase animal proteins in my diet. Thanks again for your response.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:35 am to Grillades
Plant based protein defeats the point of using a protein supplement.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:38 am to Grillades
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I am a 57 year old male with arteriosclerosis. At my doctors strong recommendation, I changed my diet significantly (Mediterranean) and started walking/jogging which resulted in a lot of weight loss over the last year. The lifestyle change is effective (and permanent) since the last labs showed big improvements in lipids, A1C, glucose, etc. My overall health is much better but I need to gain more muscle.
My caloric intake has averaged about 1700 calories a day because I have low daily restrictions on carbs, saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium. I started weightlifting recently and need to increase my protein intake. Unfortunately, I am not supposed to eat any red meat, eggs, or shellfish. I take protein powder for an extra 20g of protein daily but I still only average 75g of protein in my diet each day. Whey protein powder contains cholesterol so I can't increase my intake. Are the plant-based high protein supplements worth a damn? Will I see similar results compared to animal-based protein powder? Thanks for all replies.
your doctor is a dumbass, find a new doctor.
your improvements in health markers was due to losing bodyfat and weight loss overall.
you need to start a linear progression program. Do yourself a favor and order barbell prescription by andy baker and jonathan sullivan. follow the program
and for the love of god, find a doctor that knows wtf he is talking about when it comes to nutrition
but to answer your question...in your case...yes the plant based protein would be fine if its the right one. try the pea protein from true nutrition.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:24 am to Grillades
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I was hoping to avoid this debate. My cardiologist believes that it does affect serum cholesterol but I have seen a lot of conflicting info.
The real debate is whether or not serum cholesterol even matters at the levels at which statins are prescribed. That’s a debate that doesn’t see the light of day because statins make too many people too much money.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:44 am to lsu777
This is a case where the age and style of doctor matters.
If this is a 60yo family medicine baw their nutrition advice is not useful. Their goal is to normalize your weight and lab values.
Most doctors don't know anything about nutrition anyway - very difficult to find one that does.
You can slowly reintroduce those foods into your life while staying within your calorie and protein goals.
If this is a 60yo family medicine baw their nutrition advice is not useful. Their goal is to normalize your weight and lab values.
Most doctors don't know anything about nutrition anyway - very difficult to find one that does.
You can slowly reintroduce those foods into your life while staying within your calorie and protein goals.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:49 am to Grillades
No.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:31 am to BigPerm30
its pea protein isolate, same as the one i said to look at on true nutrition. of the plant based proteins i beleive it is the best by a long ways from what i remember. '
have you tried egg or beef protein though for your allergies?
have you tried egg or beef protein though for your allergies?
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:48 am to Earnest_P
BTW, I refused to take statins or metformin. In fact, I refused to take all meds for the conditions for which I saw this cardiologist. Instead, I chose diet and exercise and it seems to be working well, so far.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:51 am to lsu777
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for the love of god, find a doctor that knows wtf he is talking about when it comes to nutrition
Yeah, having trouble with that. I will keep looking, though.
I just ordered the book from Amazon. Thanks.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:53 am to metallica81788
He is a very popular cardiologist in Covington. I will seek a second opinion but all of the locals seems to prescribe the same thing, statins.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:01 am to Grillades
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just ordered the book from Amazon. Thanks.
It’s an awesome book.
It might lead you down the Rippetoe rabbit hole. If nothing else, find the Starting Strength podcast episodes about cholesterol so you can hear a different argument. I’m not convinced that the entire medical industry is wrong and Malcom Kendrick is right, but I think it’s worth listening to.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:08 am to Grillades
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Yeah, having trouble with that. I will keep looking, though.
i mean here is the deal....you can just take control of your the nutrition part.
you have already completed most of the hard part
but i will say nothing wrong with statins or metformin for sure. both great drugs if you need them
i would recommend a couple things for you though
get a calcium score done, assuming you have a very low score...
1) start drinking 4oz of 100% pure pomegranate juice daily. I suggest this one
this is to prevent any calcification of the arteries. proven to work in multiple studies. if you would like to see them just lmk
2) start taking 8000iu(4 caps) of Nattokinase daily. i like this one
this will essentially reduce your risk of stroke very low and reduce risk of heart attack and improve HDL
3) start a linear progression barbell program assuming you are healthy enough to start lifting. if not lets discuss some options. I highly highly recommend that book you ordered. Andy Baker is out of Kingswood in the houston area and prolly works with more people over 60 than anyone else in the country. atleast in person, his online clientele is mainly garage gym lifters. its a great book and will set you on the right path and teach you how to lift correctly. Just take it slow to start, start very light. mainly going to be 3x per week, barbell based.
4) start getting 10-12k steps in everyday. just go for walks. park far away at work and walk, park far away at stores and walk...just walk, be more active.
post up your test score though in a the lab test thread and we can advice further. but the 4 things posted above can pretty much help every single person. also how is your blood pressure.
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:17 am to Earnest_P
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It’s an awesome book.
It might lead you down the Rippetoe rabbit hole. If nothing else, find the Starting Strength podcast episodes about cholesterol so you can hear a different argument. I’m not convinced that the entire medical industry is wrong and Malcom Kendrick is right, but I think it’s worth listening to.
thats kind of where i am
im not a starting strength rippetoe absolutist. i think he had plenty of wholes in the starting strenght programming model but its an amazing place to start and when it comes to lifting for the actual normal guy...he is right 90% of the time.
on cholesterol....i think the numbers matter, especially hdl and the ratio....but i think calcium score, the type of LDL it is, trig levels, resting blood sugar, blood pressure, and overall BF% matter more.
but i do not think that dietary cholesterol has a big effect on blood cholesterol numbers for most people. some hyper responders...yea but not most.
i think removing processed foods and sticking to meats and veggies/some fruits and potatoes/white rice with mainly grass fed butter/ ghee/ tallow as your oils is going to be the biggest difference makers.
i personally think statins are great just a preventative for 90% of people because essentially zero sides. I dont buy into the links to mental issues. i think that actually tends to come from people cutting out red meat and not getting any creatine. I personally think creatine is a 100% must for mental sharpness in older individuals and should be taken by pretty much everyone and every animal if possible.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 5:11 pm to BigPerm30
Redcon MRE and MRE lite uses animal based protein fyi, not whey.
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