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re: Anybody try to take seed oils out of your diet....virtually impossible
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:43 am to cajuns td
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:43 am to cajuns td
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Ok, dumb it down for me
1 beer a week is not bad for you, but it is worse for you than no beers a week. 10 beers a day is very bad for you
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Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:47 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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There’s pretty decent evidence that eating 2k calories of shite and 2k calories of good foods will lead to different results. By definition if eating shite foods affects how many calories you can eat, they’re bad for you. If they’re less satiating, they’re bad for you. Etc. again, this isn’t that complicated
might want to go read the twinkie diet and look up blood work attached to the experiment.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:49 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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but it is worse for you than no beers a week
None of you have provided any evidence that seed oils on their own are harmful.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:50 am to lsu777
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might want to go read the twinkie diet and look up blood work attached to the experiment.
I’m aware. Still uncontrolled a lot of uncontrolled variables.
I’m not arguing against thermodynamics, it still rules, but there’s a lot of evidence what you eats is a variables in calories in/calories out. Much less how those foods make you feel and how much easier it makes it to control that very simple formula.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 11:57 am to cajuns td
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None of you have provided any evidence that seed oils on their own are harmful.
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Cooked vegetable oil worsened inflammation in the colon, enhanced tumor growth, promoted gut leakage, and caused harmful bacterial products to leak into the bloodstream in mice. This study used canola oil which is high in polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) as are other vegetable oils such as soy and corn. PUFAs are prone to oxidation which was shown to be the mechanism causing damage in this study.
I’m beginning to understand you are just retarded. Seed oils “by themselves” may not be “harmful” but if you’re best argument is they just aren’t bad but also provide no benefit (and the theory they reduce cardiovascular events is pretty clearly not true) then what is the point?
Just the fact that they are nonsatiating in and of itself is enough to label them as “harmful.”
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You didn't provide a link so I did some googling to find what you're referencing. Rhonda Patrick's website came up first but she appears to be referencing a 2019 study " thermally processed oil exaggerates colonic inflammation and colitis". This was a study in mice where they induced colitis and studied the effects of vegetable oil.
You have to understand how weak this is compared to the links I posted above. I'm not saying this needs to be thrown out completely, but it needs to be considered proportionally with the other available evidence.
You have to understand how weak this is compared to the links I posted above. I'm not saying this needs to be thrown out completely, but it needs to be considered proportionally with the other available evidence.
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:07 pm to cajuns td
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You have to understand how weak this is compared to the links I posted above
It’s all weak, which is part of my point
Not only is it weak, but it’s often published by people we KNOW will lie to us. So if their argument is “well we acknowledge there’s no real health benefits, but TRUST US it’s not bad!” Then give me one good reason (other than they taste good) not to avoid them.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:24 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Avoiding them is fine, but personally not something I would worry about.
Like lsu777 said above, focus on calories, protein and exercise and you'll be fine. I'll add increase fiber consumption to that
Like lsu777 said above, focus on calories, protein and exercise and you'll be fine. I'll add increase fiber consumption to that
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:25 pm to cajuns td
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Avoiding them is fine, but personally not something I would worry about.
Just so we’re clear, you think making sure you get adequate protein through something like whey and filling the rest of your diet with little Debbie’s is more than fine?
Because that’s what you just said
I actually don’t think that’s what you’re saying, I just think you can’t make a coherent point and actually agree with me
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You'll need to point to where I said that
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:39 pm to cajuns td
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You'll need to point to where I said that
Is your contention not that of protein and calories are equated, the rest doesn’t matter?
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:46 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Of course not. Obviously Black beans are better than jelly beans. I'll take out the caloric numbers so people don't jump on that
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:52 pm to cajuns td
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Obviously Black beans are better than jelly beans.
Why is that?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:56 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Black beans are higher in protein, fiber, and other nutrients. Plus more satiating with less calories.
I don't understand how we got here. The initial claim was that seeds oils are pro inflammatory. This is just a straw man to deflect
I don't understand how we got here. The initial claim was that seeds oils are pro inflammatory. This is just a straw man to deflect
Posted on 9/10/25 at 12:57 pm to cajuns td
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Black beans are higher in protein, fiber, and other nutrients. Plus more satiating with less calories.
But I’m told if protein and calories are equated this doesn’t matter. So now nutritional value and the response to that does matter?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 1:01 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You misunderstand. By focusing on protein and calories, you're typically going to make better food decisions to meet your caloric quota. Poor quality foods are typically very calorie dense.
It's an over simplification but a good rule of thumb to get started. People hyper focusing on things like seed oils are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies
It's an over simplification but a good rule of thumb to get started. People hyper focusing on things like seed oils are stepping over dollars to pick up pennies
Posted on 9/10/25 at 1:04 pm to cajuns td
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You misunderstand. By focusing on protein and calories, you're typically going to make better food decisions to meet your caloric quota. Poor quality foods are typically very calorie dense.
It’s an extremely simple question, if protein and calories are equated, does food quality matter? Yes or no?
Do you get the same outcomes of eating 2k calories and 200g of protein through whey and jelly beans or through high quality red meat and Whole Foods? Yes or no?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 1:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I don't know who you're arguing with but it's not me
Posted on 9/10/25 at 1:07 pm to cajuns td
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I don't know who you're arguing with but it's not me
You can’t make a coherent point and grovel back and forth from post to post
Posted on 9/10/25 at 1:07 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Yes, food quality matters. In the short term, you likely won't see consequences on a 2000 cal jellybean/ Twinkie diet, but likely not a good idea long term. This is honestly my opinion of the carnivore diet too. Probably fine short term
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