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Posted on 7/22/25 at 12:47 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:No it didn’t. That’s what this thread is about. The only note you can play doesn’t fit in this song.
And quickly moved on from there
quote:I’m fixated on it because it’s the whole context and point of this thread.
but it’s what you’re fixated on because you have nothing else.
quote:Still waiting for a citation.
Like I said, it’s not needed for 95% of its users.
quote:Your “MOAR Pharmaceuticals” comment was in direct response to advice for the OPs situation. Now your just being dishonest.
He may be in the 5%. I haven’t opined on that either way.
quote:You responded to my advice to a particular poster that provided particular context. Go pound your simple minded approach to another thread in another context.
More of you assigning my thoughts to fit your personal narrative
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 12:51 pm to WDE24
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Still waiting for a citation.
You’ve cited absolutely nothing
As I’ve said time and time again, I’m willing and would love to change my mind, and even asked for the literature I haven’t yet seen in order to do so
Now are you going to do that or just continue to assign words and thoughts I didn’t say to me in order to validate yourself?
Posted on 7/22/25 at 12:52 pm to jose
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Do you supplement your protein intake with shakes? Because you could just eat extra protein.
I don't have a dog in this fight but this really bugs me. For whatever reason, this board thinks you should only get your protein from meals and that shakes are pure shite. A good protein shake has a lot of the good stuff without all the bad stuff you can get from meat. There is nothing wrong with supplementing your diet with protein shakes. To compare that to what you all are arguing about is a poor comparison.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 12:54 pm to LSUPERMAN
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without all the bad stuff you can get from meat
Such as?
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To compare that to what you all are arguing about is a poor comparison.
Well he’s a fricking moron who thinks GLP’s cause a reduction in cholesterol. A fundamental misunderstanding of what the drug is doing.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 12:56 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:I also haven’t spouted any made up statistics.
You’ve cited absolutely nothing
quote:You want me to know what literature you have and haven’t seen…And then go gather everything you haven’t seen?
asked for the literature I haven’t yet seen
Stop with the weak arse deflections.
You are flailing about.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:00 pm to WDE24
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You want me to know what literature you have and haven’t seen
You said there is good evidence of no long term effects of these drugs. I’d love to read it. I’m trying to change my mind, it’s shouldn’t be that hard for you to provide it.
My position on all of these things is fluid. As of today, I’ve seen nothing that points me to thinking these are just the next “revolutionary drug” that doesn’t work like all the ones before them.
Now can you provide it or not? I do my best to stay educated, but I’m certainly not claiming I’ve seen everything, but I’d like to see as much as possible if it’s readily available.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:00 pm to LSUPERMAN
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I don't have a dog in this fight but this really bugs me. For whatever reason, this board thinks you should only get your protein from meals and that shakes are pure shite. A good protein shake has a lot of the good stuff without all the bad stuff you can get from meat. There is nothing wrong with supplementing your diet with protein shakes. To compare that to what you all are arguing about is a poor comparison.
I agree entirely.
that is not the argument I was trying to make. I was trying to make an outlandish comparison to one his many point about GLP-1s as he said you shouldn't use them because it is an easy route.
I drink protein shakes every day, drinking one at the moment
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:01 pm to jose
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I was trying to make an outlandish comparison to one his many point about GLP-1s as he said you shouldn't use them because it is an easy route.
You failed miserably
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:03 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Well he’s a fricking moron who thinks GLP’s cause a reduction in cholesterol. A fundamental misunderstanding of what the drug is doing.
I guess your bolding of cause is now a matter of semantics?
GLP-1s decrease appetite thus causing weight loss. That can decrease cholesterol levels.
Are you arguing the point that I used "cause"?
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:05 pm to jose
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I guess your bolding of cause is now a matter of semantics?
No it’s fundamental to understanding what the drug is doing. You being a physician and not understanding this is truly astounding
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GLP-1s decrease appetite thus causing weight loss. That can decrease cholesterol levels.
Correct. “Can decrease” and “cause” are very different.
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Are you arguing the point that I used "cause"?
Yes, because it’s totally incorrect. If you are prescribing these things, you should probably understand what they are and how they work.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
You really need to stay in your lane.
I know exactly how it works. Have been knowing for many years now. I have been prescribing it for many more years than it has been popular in the media.
Here's one of many articles about its effects on cholesterol. Read up!
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You being a physician and not understanding this is truly astounding
I know exactly how it works. Have been knowing for many years now. I have been prescribing it for many more years than it has been popular in the media.
Here's one of many articles about its effects on cholesterol. Read up!
Posted on 7/22/25 at 1:14 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:No I didn’t. I said there is pretty good data on the benefits and risks, especially for a person in OPs position.
You said there is good evidence of no long term effects of these drugs.
I can’t discuss this with someone that is continually and intentionally dishonest. You want to feel like you won an e-debate by using manipulation and snark rather than engage in an intellectually honest discussion.
I’m not interested in that.
quote:What is the it, you are looking for? Every glp-1 study done?
Now can you provide it or not?
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 2:23 pm to WDE24
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What is the it, you are looking for? Every glp-1 study done?
I’m looking specifically for the long term effects of prolonged use of GLP-1’s by non diabetics for weight loss and that is one of my key concerns
Posted on 7/22/25 at 3:47 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Mingo Was His NameO
Does your back hurt from moving the goalposts so much? Those little back muscles must be sore.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 3:52 pm to Randall Savauge
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Does your back hurt from moving the goalposts so much? Those little back muscles must be sore.
No, I do a lot of deadlifts and reverse hypers.
And my stance has been consistent the entire time. There’s still a lot of uncertainty and a lack of data on the long term effect of these drugs used for weight loss in non diabetics. When we have non pharmaceutical interventions that we know work and know are good for you, why are we putting people on hormone therapy?
If you can show me the data that refutes what I’m saying, I’m more than willing and happy to change my mind. Allegedly, it exists, but the person referencing it refused to share it with me. I’m always trying to learn and advance my thoughts on things.
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:23 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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There’s still a lot of uncertainty and a lack of data on the long term effect of these drugs used for weight loss in non diabetics
Let's just put this one to bed.
Improved Sperm Counts in Obese Men
Obesity
Improvement in other risk factors, like stroke
Overall obesity improvements
Hypothalamic Obesity
I tried to find articles not pertaining to diabetic patients. Enjoy your reading!
ETA: Cholesterol
Added the one that supports my previous claims that GLP-1s do in fact improve cholesterol.
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:35 pm to jose
I never said people don’t lose weight
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:Do you want the data that refutes what you originally claimed that I responded to or do you want the data for a scenario that is completely irrelevant to this thread that you have since shifted to?
If you can show me the data that refutes what I’m saying, I’m more than willing and happy to change my mind. Allegedly, it exists
quote:In a conversation on GLP-1s, you said they don’t work.
I never said people don’t lose weight
You have to quit lying and moving the goal posts.
quote:Another lie.
I’m always trying to learn and advance my thoughts on things.
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:41 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I never said people don’t lose weight
There is no pleasing you little guy
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