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Spin Rate
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:23 am
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:23 am
Went and got fitted from Budda last week. All in all i thought he was awesome. Filled with knowledge. I tried to take my personal preference of what I “wanted” out of the equation and go with what was best for me and my swing.
I’m honestly a bit confused on the outcome. You obviously do your fitting off your 6 iron. My avg swing speed with my 6 iron is 105 mph. I hit this club on average between 185-190. But it can balloon to 200 or even fall short at 175. Budda numbers showed my spin rate was through the roof. Well over 7k with a 6 iron. He only had about 4-5 steel shafts for me to choose from due to my swing speed which was fine.
The part i don’t understand is the irons we dialed it down to. It was between the Mizuno mp20, srixon, and Taylor made p790. The spin rate was ideal with the P790 snd my distance increased to a 205 carry and spin rate of about 5900. But the P790s are standard “juiced irons”. The standard loft for the P790 6 iron is 27.5. That’s just a .5 degrees less than my mizuno mp52 5 iron. Is that the answer to a high spin rate is less loft and juiced clubs? It doesn’t make much since to me honestly. I’m not saying that’s cheating but isn’t that just manipulating a test? Obviously my spin rate would be lower if any of the other clubs were “juiced”.
Does anyone have any legit knowledge about this? Or does Budda “stock” irons used for testing all come with standard lofts?
I’m honestly a bit confused on the outcome. You obviously do your fitting off your 6 iron. My avg swing speed with my 6 iron is 105 mph. I hit this club on average between 185-190. But it can balloon to 200 or even fall short at 175. Budda numbers showed my spin rate was through the roof. Well over 7k with a 6 iron. He only had about 4-5 steel shafts for me to choose from due to my swing speed which was fine.
The part i don’t understand is the irons we dialed it down to. It was between the Mizuno mp20, srixon, and Taylor made p790. The spin rate was ideal with the P790 snd my distance increased to a 205 carry and spin rate of about 5900. But the P790s are standard “juiced irons”. The standard loft for the P790 6 iron is 27.5. That’s just a .5 degrees less than my mizuno mp52 5 iron. Is that the answer to a high spin rate is less loft and juiced clubs? It doesn’t make much since to me honestly. I’m not saying that’s cheating but isn’t that just manipulating a test? Obviously my spin rate would be lower if any of the other clubs were “juiced”.
Does anyone have any legit knowledge about this? Or does Budda “stock” irons used for testing all come with standard lofts?
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:34 am to RawDog7984
There is no “standard” across manufacturers and models
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:35 am to Power-Dome
I’m aware of that. Some club fitters have a stock loft they use on all clubs in house. So you don’t see large swings like this during fittings. Otherwise why is there such a large discrepancy in the spin rate with that particular club and the rest?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:26 am to RawDog7984
Some clubs are made to high launch low spin. Some are made to low launch with high spin. Matching the club with the shaft is the way to get it ideal.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:33 am to RawDog7984
Which srixon model did you hit? I think zx7 irons are 28 degree 6 iron. Also, you have a very high swing speed so I would think you will get lots of spin regardless of what you hit. 790’s might be designed to spin low to promote distance help.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:37 am to RawDog7984
You’re swing speed seems off to your total distance too. Way off.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:46 am to BallChamp00
105 club head speed with a 6 iron? You sure that's right man?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 9:52 am to STLhog
I’m positive that’s right and i agree it seemed ridiculous. Low end was 102ish. Budda even said that my distance is crazy off considering my swing speed. Smash rate was avg 1.33 and that got a bit higher as we fitted. But yes, that swing speed is right.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:14 am to RawDog7984
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I’m positive that’s right and i agree it seemed ridiculous. Low end was 102ish. Budda even said that my distance is crazy off considering my swing speed. Smash rate was avg 1.33 and that got a bit higher as we fitted. But yes, that swing speed is right.
gotta be launch and angle of attack is whats keeping the numbers low. and also side spin. without seeing those numbers its hard to tell.....but you just went to one of the best fitters in the state so im sure hes on top of it.
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 10:21 am
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:29 am to geauxfortwo
I agree. Just a bit confusing. I generate a lot of club speed but that automatically doesn’t mean massive distance. The average tour pro probably doesn’t generate the club speed i do. But they attack at such different angles and hit the ball way more flush than i do. I’m a freaking weekend golfer who can occasionally go low. I was just confused if the difference between that spin rate is just loft itself but there’s no way it’s just that simple.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:06 pm to RawDog7984
Our of curiosity, what is your driver swing speed? You must be in Bryson Territory
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:19 pm to RawDog7984
P790 are a players distance iron..definitely not something you seem to need. Did you try the P770? I do not understand some people buying irons based on distance and then ending up with huge gaps when they get down to the wedges..your traditional scoring clubs that are used most often
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:28 pm to tiger626
I honestly don’t know what my swing speed is with my driver. I was fitted a while back for it. But i did hit the p770. I liked them a lot. But the spin rate was high 6000 to low 7000. Which causes inconsistent distances for me per Budda.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:33 pm to RawDog7984
Maybe swing slower and hit it more flush?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:33 pm to Power-Dome
If only it was that simple lol
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:43 pm to RawDog7984
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honestly don’t know what my swing speed is with my driver. I was fitted a while back for it.
What do you hit your best drives?
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But the spin rate was high 6000 to low 7000. Which causes inconsistent distances for me per Budda.
If this is your 7-iron, that is right where you want to be...
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:29 pm to barry
Unfortunately it’s not my 7. That’s my 6 iron. My lofts on my current clubs are a bit old school. I hit my driver anywhere between 300-315.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:31 pm to RawDog7984
What loft is your 6 iron? It may be close to a current 7 iron.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 5:55 pm to RawDog7984
The easiest way to change spin rate is to change delivered loft.
Spin is basically(removing gear effect) club speed x spin loft (difference in dynamic loft and angle of attack) x the coefficient of friction. You’re not changing friction, and you don’t want to slow down club speed.
Without seeing anything, you’re probably the most qualified person to be in a “juiced” iron. Ideally, you would learn to lean the shaft a bit more, but Buddha’s job is to get you in the best irons possible.
Spin is basically(removing gear effect) club speed x spin loft (difference in dynamic loft and angle of attack) x the coefficient of friction. You’re not changing friction, and you don’t want to slow down club speed.
Without seeing anything, you’re probably the most qualified person to be in a “juiced” iron. Ideally, you would learn to lean the shaft a bit more, but Buddha’s job is to get you in the best irons possible.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 6:19 pm to RawDog7984
Here’s the one negative about Buddha’s setup: indoor trackman. The ball data is good because it’s using radar and getting numbers from the ball itself for the first 10 feet of flight, but the club data isn’t going to be as accurate because it’s mostly all based on an estimate/calculation. So I wouldn’t get too stuck on the 105 swing speed. Your concern with spin is warranted though. Have you tried changing the ball you use? That would be the easiest fix imo.
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