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Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:33 pm to JimTiger72
It’s definitely a net positive for LIV as opposed to not getting any points. But does it really move the needle? How many guys were getting left out of invites to majors who would have benefited from this limited point total?
Hatton, Rahm, Niemann, DeChambeau, Smith, Reed were getting into all of the majors anyway. Even last year the majors created exemptions for the top 2-3 LIV players not otherwise exempt. Does this really change that calculus? It only moves the needle if someone has a dominant season like Niemann last year.
Maybe over time they can manipulate the rankings to try to raise the field strength to where it actually matters. Someone better at math would need to figure out how long that will take.
Hatton, Rahm, Niemann, DeChambeau, Smith, Reed were getting into all of the majors anyway. Even last year the majors created exemptions for the top 2-3 LIV players not otherwise exempt. Does this really change that calculus? It only moves the needle if someone has a dominant season like Niemann last year.
Maybe over time they can manipulate the rankings to try to raise the field strength to where it actually matters. Someone better at math would need to figure out how long that will take.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:35 pm to JimTiger72
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:35 pm to tigerfan88
If you are La Sasso, are you happy with this? Can’t imagine so. I would imagine LIV and the players see this as a loss not a win
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:44 pm to lsupride87
lol I think the statement from LIV makes it clear they lost this round.
If you’re McKibbin or Smylie or Le Sasso this doesn’t change anything. Had any of them gone on a Niemann like tear and won 4 LIV events they would have qualified for majors under current systems, just like Niemann did.
What LIV wants is all their guys who finish mid-table on average, basically their top 25-30 guys, to be eligible for majors which this doesn’t come close to doing
If you’re McKibbin or Smylie or Le Sasso this doesn’t change anything. Had any of them gone on a Niemann like tear and won 4 LIV events they would have qualified for majors under current systems, just like Niemann did.
What LIV wants is all their guys who finish mid-table on average, basically their top 25-30 guys, to be eligible for majors which this doesn’t come close to doing
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:52 pm to JimTiger72
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it looks like LIV will be staying here for awhile.
If Bryson and Rahm sign extensions, yeah maybe
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:54 pm to lsufball19
As long as PIF is willing to sink $500 mill a year into it at a loss it’ll hang around. It will never be self sustaining
Posted on 2/3/26 at 12:59 pm to tigerfan88
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lol I think the statement from LIV makes it clear they lost this round.
Yeah, I mean I think this is clearly how OWGR is dealing with LIV not having a cut. You don't want cuts? Ok, cool, we'll create an imaginary one for you.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:02 pm to lsufball19
Yeah and refusing to expand their overall event size and for over 90% of tournament participants being recruited and signed to contracts as opposed to playing their way in
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:18 pm to tigerfan88
I’ll track it throughout the year, but I’d imagine Datagolf will continue to have the most accurate rankings of professional golfers
Posted on 2/3/26 at 1:34 pm to MrLSU
Some interesting points made in the official statement from OWGR
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Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:00 pm to JimTiger72
What should be obvious, the OWGR hates how LIV still doesn’t have a “real” tour. It’s mainly they pick simply who they want
Problem is, LIV can’t go to a real tour because then the top players would never play there because the contracts don’t exist.
This has been painfully obvious to anyone not emotionally involved to understand why liv can’t ever “make it” . It can only ever exist as it is
Problem is, LIV can’t go to a real tour because then the top players would never play there because the contracts don’t exist.
This has been painfully obvious to anyone not emotionally involved to understand why liv can’t ever “make it” . It can only ever exist as it is
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:38 pm to lsupride87
Has Gooch chimed in on this?
Posted on 2/3/26 at 2:46 pm to TDTOM
Speaking of Gooch, the Athletic did the math on how last year would’ve shaped out if LIV had gotten these points.
Niemann and Rahm make huge jumps, from outside top 100 to inside the top 20. But Gooch, who finished 6 in LIVs standings, would still have been outside the top 100 in OWGR.
Niemann and Rahm make huge jumps, from outside top 100 to inside the top 20. But Gooch, who finished 6 in LIVs standings, would still have been outside the top 100 in OWGR.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 3:06 pm to tigerfan88
Hasn't Rahm finished top 10 like every week on LIV? I would imagine this decision is just to throw points in the direction of the few golfers on the LIV tour in the last year that everyone viewed as Top 50-ish players - Bryson, Rahm, Niemann, Reed before he left, etc.
People used to say that the OWGR weren't "accurate" when players that everyone knows are top 25-50 players weren't in the rankings. I think this helps take care of that, because there are only a handful of current LIV players that fit that description.
All in all, I think it was a good decision.
People used to say that the OWGR weren't "accurate" when players that everyone knows are top 25-50 players weren't in the rankings. I think this helps take care of that, because there are only a handful of current LIV players that fit that description.
All in all, I think it was a good decision.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 3:13 pm to JimTiger72
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Kozuma did not have a contract & finished outside of the “lock zone” (top 24). What’s the issue, specifically for OWGR?
Directly from the OWGR statement:
self-selection of players with players being recruited rather than earning their place on the tour in many cases and, in recent days, the addition/removal of players to/from teams based on their nationality rather than for meritocratic reasons.
This post was edited on 2/3/26 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/3/26 at 3:44 pm to GeauxPanthers2
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All in all, I think it was a good decision.
I've always said they need to be given less points simply because of no cuts. So glad they did that, but they should have given them to more than 10 people. Top 25 would have been more appropriate and still would have been less % of players per tournament getting points compared to the Tour.
Posted on 2/3/26 at 4:24 pm to tigerfan88
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As long as PIF is willing to sink $500 mill a year into it at a loss it’ll hang around. It will never be self sustaining
Their losses have to be in the billions at this point. I know that is chump change to the PIF, but having Norman try and lead this new tour has been a massive fail and embarrassment besides the money lost. They are a laughing stock and that has to hurt worse than the money for PIF.
Posted on 2/4/26 at 11:01 am to RedHawk
Posted on 2/4/26 at 12:45 pm to JimTiger72
Man, I’ve seen junkies not be in as much denial as you are. They are crumbling. Their entire existence was less golf, more time with family, team golf and promise of OWGR points. They’ve now changed it to 72 holes, they’re losing their best players, they only get points for their top 10 players, which will be even less of their players continue to leave which is currently happening. This has been a massive failure by them and what they thought would happen. Now their main attraction in Bryson is making statements calling them out. This has been awful for them and it’s been embarrassing.
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