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re: Other than the Majors, Scheffler not having to compete with some of the LIV…

Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:04 am to
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:04 am to
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none of these guys are touching Scottie right now. The level Scottie is on is a couple tiers ahead of anybody else


scottie is clearly the best golfer in the world by a very wide margin right now

that said, the weekly PGA stops are unquestionably less competitive than they were prior to the LIV split. That is felt more in the 5-20 spots who are peppered with "who?" every week now instead of guys like gooch, Ancer, neimann, Varner, etc

LIV has a lot of guys that can/did win on the PGA tour but who knows how many wins that would have taken from Scotties with how insane he is right now
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:35 am to
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I believe he is the 14th ranked LIV golfer on DataGolf

That’s pretty damn bad for him man.


Fair enough, that is pretty low for him. Should definitely be top 5.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 11:42 am to
He was 7th highest (37) on data golf last week.

Not sure what happened to him on the back 9 yesterday, but he shot an 80. He dropped 20 spots on data golf which will happen with a bad round & playing less golf.

I don’t think that’s a good indication of Cam Smith’s form though. He finished T6 at Masters & played well in most of the LIV tournaments this year.

He’s one I would count on showing up at US Open as well as Brooks, Bryson, & Burmester. Not sure about Rahm with his foot issues
This post was edited on 6/10/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Swagga
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:23 pm to
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Obviously Rahm & probably should include Niemann, Burmester, Cam Smith would be included too




Healthy rahm I totally agree. I don’t think you can put Niemann and burmester in the conversation.

Cam has shown he can compete and beat Scottie, but that seems like a long time ago.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 12:41 pm to
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I don’t think you can put Niemann and burmester in the conversation.


That’s fair, but if you’re talking about best LIV golfers then they’re up there.

Not the best example for Scottie, but Burm only finished 1 shot behind him at PGA.
Posted by MikeAV8s
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 5:57 pm to
I believe Rahm is hurt.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:29 pm to
He has a foot infection.
Posted by CDUBTX
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:17 am to
LIV is a joke man. Not saying all their players are but look at the level of golf most of them are playing over there. Koepka has enough frick everyone in him to still be competitive but the rest will slowly lose their game.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:11 am to
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but the rest will slowly lose their game.


This is just simply not true & continues to be repeated by the LIV haters. Yeah it’s maybe true for a few of the older guys (Westwood, Poulter, Phil, Bubba, etc) or some of the fringe PGA guys (Varner, Na, Perez).

Then you’ve got guys like Bryson who are playing better since leaving PGA. Burmester, Niemann, Ortiz, are probably playing some of the best golf of their career since joining LIV.

At least half of their roster would be top 50 guys on PGA Tour currently if they would have stayed
Posted by DallasTiger
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:02 am to
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Then you’ve got guys like Bryson who are playing better since leaving PGA.


I don’t think his improvement has anything to do with leaving the PGA. He’s a very talented golfer, but he’s also been a bit of a kook. His quest for attention related to things like same-length irons; overtly demonstrative on course shot-by-shot calculations of wind direction, barometric pressure, lunar positioning and the moon’s gravitational pull; his obsession with distance off the tee, which caused him radically alter/build a body that he could never sustain, etc., seem to have subsided. He seems to have matured. And if he has, then he’s a terrific golfer who can be successful regardless of where he plays.

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Burmester, Niemann, Ortiz, are probably playing some of the best golf of their career since joining LIV.


How can we conclude this to be true? They are playing exhibition golf a few times a year against a set field that is collectively weak.

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At least half of their roster would be top 50 guys on PGA Tour currently if they would have stayed


I’ve no interest to entering a Golf Board slap fight, but this is simply absurd. Even the LIV PR firms don’t make this claim.
Posted by lsufball19
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:05 am to
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At least half of their roster would be top 50 guys on PGA Tour currently if they would have stayed



Not even you believe this
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
5751 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:10 am to
You’d have a hard time convincing me guys like Paul Casey, Kevin Na, Thomas Pieters, Jason Kokrak, Varner, etc would have dropped in OWGR rankings once signature events started up.
They would still be there
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
5751 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:21 am to
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How can we conclude this to be true? They are playing exhibition golf a few times a year against a set field that is collectively weak.


Datagolf rankings have nothing to do with the level of competition, just their performance on the golf course.
Posted by BRsundog
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:01 am to
Waiting for the pro gooch comments
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:04 am to
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Datagolf rankings have nothing to do with the level of competition, just their performance on the golf course.


That actually is not entirely true.

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They are determined by averaging the field-strength adjusted scores of each golfer across professional and amateur tournaments, with more recent rounds receiving more weight.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
5751 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:25 am to
Well then this can’t be true either…
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They are playing exhibition golf a few times a year against a set field that is collectively weak.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32050 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:57 am to
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Eh, massive struggle street is a bit much. He finished 2nd outright in the previous LIV tournament and was in a playoff earlier in the year. 10th overall in LIVs standings.

OK, but a couple of years ago he was the #1 player in the world. I think it is fair to say his game has regressed
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
35086 posts
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm to
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OK, but a couple of years ago he was the #1 player in the world. I think it is fair to say his game has regressed


I think he only ever got to #2. Then bolted quickly after.

I think if I had to rank the players, I'd probably have Cam Smith as a top 12 player. Yea, he's not the #2 player any more but he's still one of the best in the world despite having some struggles.
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