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Member Guest question - what would you do?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:45 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:45 am
Just completed our member guest over the weekend - great time... finished 3rd in flight just 2.5 points from the top... had three questions as to how one would handle these situations... all happened when playing the lead group on the third morning... (1 point off at the time) - one of the guys we played is actually a good friend of mine and my neighbor
1. on first hole.. the stud of the group thought his ball was in a lateral hazard - so he drops and hits where he thought it went out... then a minute later he finds his ball - safe about 50 yard further.. he wanted to hit the ball he found rather than his dropped ball - I told him once he dropped the first ball is live.. sorry man it's a competition normally I wouldn't care"
2. on the 4th hole.... same guy hits in to the junk (he was literally 300 yards off the tee... just not straight at times... and he is climbing into the bushes to hit out... and my partner offers up "You know you can take an unplayable lie here".... they did and it kept them in the hole - we ended up winning the hole... I asked my partner "Are you wanting to waive the white flag or what".... thinking they should know that rule..
3. after the match (we ended up square 4.5 - 4.5) with one match left... and we are playing the front 9 after just finishing on the back... the guys say "we are going to go putt on #8" as they missed two 4 footers on the last two holes which would have been daggers to us... I didn't want to be that guy to told them not too.. but that's not fair to the other groups in the flight if they are putting on an actual hole they will be playing.. and when I walked over.. they are actually putting to the hole.. I finally just said "dude.. you can't putt to the actual hole you are going to be playing.. it's not fair to everyone else"... my buddy the neighbor actually agreed and said "oh.. yes I can see how that would be unfair".. but then they putted on another part of the green.. still a violation.. but at that point I just walked away
don't like being a heel on these things.. but just wondering what standard member guest actions would be...
1. on first hole.. the stud of the group thought his ball was in a lateral hazard - so he drops and hits where he thought it went out... then a minute later he finds his ball - safe about 50 yard further.. he wanted to hit the ball he found rather than his dropped ball - I told him once he dropped the first ball is live.. sorry man it's a competition normally I wouldn't care"
2. on the 4th hole.... same guy hits in to the junk (he was literally 300 yards off the tee... just not straight at times... and he is climbing into the bushes to hit out... and my partner offers up "You know you can take an unplayable lie here".... they did and it kept them in the hole - we ended up winning the hole... I asked my partner "Are you wanting to waive the white flag or what".... thinking they should know that rule..
3. after the match (we ended up square 4.5 - 4.5) with one match left... and we are playing the front 9 after just finishing on the back... the guys say "we are going to go putt on #8" as they missed two 4 footers on the last two holes which would have been daggers to us... I didn't want to be that guy to told them not too.. but that's not fair to the other groups in the flight if they are putting on an actual hole they will be playing.. and when I walked over.. they are actually putting to the hole.. I finally just said "dude.. you can't putt to the actual hole you are going to be playing.. it's not fair to everyone else"... my buddy the neighbor actually agreed and said "oh.. yes I can see how that would be unfair".. but then they putted on another part of the green.. still a violation.. but at that point I just walked away
don't like being a heel on these things.. but just wondering what standard member guest actions would be...
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:52 am to 45RCRoy45
I’m usually to drunk during the matches to remember or care what the other team does.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:56 am to 45RCRoy45
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1. on first hole.. the stud of the group thought his ball was in a lateral hazard - so he drops and hits where he thought it went out... then a minute later he finds his ball - safe about 50 yard further.. he wanted to hit the ball he found rather than his dropped ball - I told him once he dropped the first ball is live.. sorry man it's a competition normally I wouldn't care"
He wouldn't be able to play it. The other ball was in play at that point.
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2. on the 4th hole.... same guy hits in to the junk (he was literally 300 yards off the tee... just not straight at times... and he is climbing into the bushes to hit out... and my partner offers up "You know you can take an unplayable lie here".... they did and it kept them in the hole - we ended up winning the hole... I asked my partner "Are you wanting to waive the white flag or what".... thinking they should know that rule..
They can ask you options or call an official. I would've told them it's an option to take an unplayable and drank another beer.
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3. after the match (we ended up square 4.5 - 4.5) with one match left... and we are playing the front 9 after just finishing on the back... the guys say "we are going to go putt on #8" as they missed two 4 footers on the last two holes which would have been daggers to us... I didn't want to be that guy to told them not too.. but that's not fair to the other groups in the flight if they are putting on an actual hole they will be playing.. and when I walked over.. they are actually putting to the hole.. I finally just said "dude.. you can't putt to the actual hole you are going to be playing.. it's not fair to everyone else"... my buddy the neighbor actually agreed and said "oh.. yes I can see how that would be unfair".. but then they putted on another part of the green.. still a violation.. but at that point I just walked away
That's not a violation. You can do that in match play tournaments before or between rounds. So if your match was complete and they hadn't started their next one, they're within the rules doing that. I would've been wondering more why they aren't at the bar
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:57 am to 45RCRoy45
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don't like being a heel on these things..
This seems untrue
And if you are going to be a rules dick in the 15 handicap flight, know the rules. Which you don't
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 9:10 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:02 am to hehateme2285
1. The dropped ball is in play. I would have also called him out on that.
2. Your partner did the right thing. It's a friendly competition. I have no problem helping out my competition during a match (looking for balls, assiting with interpretation of the rules, etc).
3. I would not have cared nor worried about that.
2. Your partner did the right thing. It's a friendly competition. I have no problem helping out my competition during a match (looking for balls, assiting with interpretation of the rules, etc).
3. I would not have cared nor worried about that.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
LOL 
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:05 am to 45RCRoy45
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1. on first hole.. the stud of the group thought his ball was in a lateral hazard - so he drops and hits where he thought it went out... then a minute later he finds his ball - safe about 50 yard further.. he wanted to hit the ball he found rather than his dropped ball - I told him once he dropped the first ball is live.. sorry man it's a competition normally I wouldn't care"
This is right but really shouldn't be. This isn't a world class event or even a high local event with spotters and spectators. In those events it should be enforced because any ball safe would have been identified before player even stepped of the tee. In regards to a local who gives a shite member guest, punishing someone for not sighting a ball off the tee is stupid. If he was legitimately in play and was just looking in the wrong place, the rules should allow the group to agree to consider the previous shot provisional. I would not have cared and let it go, but I know so many golfers who cant let silly stuff like this go.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:12 am to MeanStreak
What have any rules if you aren’t going to follow them?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:14 am to TDTOM
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What have any rules if you aren’t going to follow them?
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If he was legitimately in play and was just looking in the wrong place, the rules should allow
Dumbass
Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:02 am to 45RCRoy45
You were correct on the first two. However, you were completely wrong about #3.
Rules of Golf:
Match Play
You may practice on the course before a round or between rounds of a match-play competition.
This is not the case in stroke play but in a match, you can test the surface of the greens or play a ball from anywhere.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:36 pm to 45RCRoy45
1. on first hole.. the stud of the group thought his ball was in a lateral hazard - so he drops and hits where he thought it went out... then a minute later he finds his ball - safe about 50 yard further.. he wanted to hit the ball he found rather than his dropped ball - I told him once he dropped the first ball is live.. sorry man it's a competition normally I wouldn't care"
Hit Wrong Ball. Loss of Hole
2. on the 4th hole.... same guy hits in to the junk (he was literally 300 yards off the tee... just not straight at times... and he is climbing into the bushes to hit out... and my partner offers up "You know you can take an unplayable lie here".... they did and it kept them in the hole - we ended up winning the hole... I asked my partner "Are you wanting to waive the white flag or what".... thinking they should know that rule..
Offered advice. Loss of Hole.
3. after the match (we ended up square 4.5 - 4.5) with one match left... and we are playing the front 9 after just finishing on the back... the guys say "we are going to go putt on #8" as they missed two 4 footers on the last two holes which would have been daggers to us... I didn't want to be that guy to told them not too.. but that's not fair to the other groups in the flight if they are putting on an actual hole they will be playing.. and when I walked over.. they are actually putting to the hole.. I finally just said "dude.. you can't putt to the actual hole you are going to be playing.. it's not fair to everyone else"... my buddy the neighbor actually agreed and said "oh.. yes I can see how that would be unfair".. but then they putted on another part of the green.. still a violation.. but at that point I just walked away
Putted on surface that was not designated as practice putting green. Loss of hole.
Hit Wrong Ball. Loss of Hole
2. on the 4th hole.... same guy hits in to the junk (he was literally 300 yards off the tee... just not straight at times... and he is climbing into the bushes to hit out... and my partner offers up "You know you can take an unplayable lie here".... they did and it kept them in the hole - we ended up winning the hole... I asked my partner "Are you wanting to waive the white flag or what".... thinking they should know that rule..
Offered advice. Loss of Hole.
3. after the match (we ended up square 4.5 - 4.5) with one match left... and we are playing the front 9 after just finishing on the back... the guys say "we are going to go putt on #8" as they missed two 4 footers on the last two holes which would have been daggers to us... I didn't want to be that guy to told them not too.. but that's not fair to the other groups in the flight if they are putting on an actual hole they will be playing.. and when I walked over.. they are actually putting to the hole.. I finally just said "dude.. you can't putt to the actual hole you are going to be playing.. it's not fair to everyone else"... my buddy the neighbor actually agreed and said "oh.. yes I can see how that would be unfair".. but then they putted on another part of the green.. still a violation.. but at that point I just walked away
Putted on surface that was not designated as practice putting green. Loss of hole.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:18 pm to TDTOM
I know what the rule is, just pointing out its a stupid rule. Golf rules often make things go on "technicalities" and not what feels or should be right. That is why there has been so much movement to change them in the last 10 years.
I think most would agree you are just using an oddity of a rule to gain an advantage on someone who hit a playable shot that wasn't found in time. What if your opponents knew your ball was up and didn't tell you, which they aren't required to do. Should sighting drives really be a skill that can gain or lose strokes for you?
Don't take the game too seriously, no one likes those golfers. They are just as annoying as the ones who are rampant cheaters.
I think most would agree you are just using an oddity of a rule to gain an advantage on someone who hit a playable shot that wasn't found in time. What if your opponents knew your ball was up and didn't tell you, which they aren't required to do. Should sighting drives really be a skill that can gain or lose strokes for you?
Don't take the game too seriously, no one likes those golfers. They are just as annoying as the ones who are rampant cheaters.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:20 pm to 45RCRoy45
Played a friendly game Friday in which 4 man group played two, two man scramble. Whichever two man scramble had the lowest score, would be the score of the hole. I said, why don't we put two man against the other two man scramble team. Oh no they said, just play with your other two man scramble team. Must of saw at least two rules violations on our team. So I expect the same with the other group.
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