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re: Is this a hole in one?
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:50 am to RawDog7984
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:50 am to RawDog7984
I do. I’ve played a lot of golf over the 50 years I’ve been playing. Been stuck on 9 for 14 years, and it’s irritating every time I get one within a foot.
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Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:50 am to Tiger1242
The Ball has to come to rest and stop at the bottom of the hole.
FYI, if you pick up the ball in the hole before it come to rest. It is a penalty stroke.
FYI, if you pick up the ball in the hole before it come to rest. It is a penalty stroke.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 10:59 am to llfshoals
quote:
I’ve got 9
I want to dissect this further please. There are lots of professional golfers that don’t have close to this many. Can you elaborate on how you have so many? Are a lot of them on the same hole?
9 is an incredible number for an amateur
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:19 am to DeafVallyBatnR
quote:Another person who doesn’t know the rules.
if you pick up the ball in the hole before it come to rest. It is a penalty stroke.
From the rule book:
quote:
Holed/2 – Ball Is Considered Holed Even Though It Is Not “At Rest”
The words “at rest” in the definition of holed are used to make it clear that if a ball falls into the hole and bounces out, it is not holed.
However, if a player removes a ball from the hole that is still moving (such as circling or bouncing in the bottom of the hole), it is considered holed despite the ball not having come to rest in the hole.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:24 am to ell_13
If it’s in the hole then the lift and replace rules doesn’t matter and not what I’m discussing. For the sake of conversation, I am assuming the ball is not fully emerged putting the lift and place rule into effect and if it is, it absolutely can be placed on the green no closer to the hole. I honestly don’t even know how that’s debatable.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:29 am to LSUfan4444
If a ball *on the green* is marked, lifted, and can’t be replaced *on the green* due to something like wind then yes, it must be placed at the closest spot to the original place no closer to the hole without penalty. That was part of the rule change in 2020. That’s after attempting to replace it twice.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 11:31 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:42 am to ell_13
What about that photo makes you think it can’t be replaced? If it is replaced and falls into the hole (which would be closer) is it not placed again further from the hole?
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 11:44 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:43 am to ell_13
The ball looks below the surface of the green anyway.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 11:56 am to LSUfan4444
Think of it as if a piece of bark were covering the hole and the ball lands on it. That’s about as likely as the photo in the OP. It’s an impediment and can be removed. “Mark” the ball on the edge. Lift. Remove bark. Attempt to replace but the ball is in the hole. That’s basically what is happening here. The dirt has become lose and is an impediment. Repairing the hole/green removes it. The ball, if replaced correctly will be in the hole.
This post was edited on 7/24/22 at 11:57 am
Posted on 7/24/22 at 1:00 pm to Tiger1242
quote:4 were on #15 at Twin Pines in Littleville. At one time it was a 9 hole course so you played it twice, PW downhill. Good yardage for me, played a couple thousand rounds there.
Can you elaborate on how you have so many? Are a lot of them on the same hole?
3 at #8/17 at Arrowhead in Tuscumbia. 5 iron from the back tee, 7 if I remember right with one, and a SW on the winter green (one of my daughters was with me for that one, so it was pretty special). At least 500 rounds on that course. #1 on that course is where I flew one in the hole and it jumped back out. Didn’t count it.
8th one was at Haleyville CC, 6 iron on #8. Haven’t played that course much, members only. Was playing a practice round for a tournament there.
9th was at The Capstone in Brookwood. 4 iron. Only played that course once. That one is my best story. Playing with my future son in law the day before the wedding. It’s an uphill par 3 so can only see about half the flag. Hit it good, on line. Got to the green, no ball. They get excited because none of them had ever seen an ace. I thought it might have been over the back, so I go check, yep it’s in the cup. So I strolled back to the cart m, asked one of them to get it out of the cup for me and sat down. They’re whooping it up, and noticed I wasn’t.
They asked why wasn’t I thrilled, it’s a once in a lifetime shot. My reply
“You stop jumping up and down after about the 5th one, one of you getting that for me?”
Posted on 7/24/22 at 1:33 pm to ell_13
if you pick up the ball in the hole before it come to rest. It is a penalty stroke.
Another person who doesn’t know the rules.
From the rule book:
quote:
Holed/2 – Ball Is Considered Holed Even Though It Is Not “At Rest”
The words “at rest” in the definition of holed are used to make it clear that if a ball falls into the hole and bounces out, it is not holed.
However, if a player removes a ball from the hole that is still moving (such as circling or bouncing in the bottom of the hole), it is considered holed despite the ball not having come to rest in the hole.
Okay, rule change. It was called on a kid in Jr golf. You are correct I don't know all the rules. Neither does each tour player.
Another person who doesn’t know the rules.
From the rule book:
quote:
Holed/2 – Ball Is Considered Holed Even Though It Is Not “At Rest”
The words “at rest” in the definition of holed are used to make it clear that if a ball falls into the hole and bounces out, it is not holed.
However, if a player removes a ball from the hole that is still moving (such as circling or bouncing in the bottom of the hole), it is considered holed despite the ball not having come to rest in the hole.
Okay, rule change. It was called on a kid in Jr golf. You are correct I don't know all the rules. Neither does each tour player.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 2:41 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
The 2020 changes were a pretty big deal. Lots of common sense stuff and things to speed up the game. The only one I think they missed on was treating divots as GUR. It doesn’t affect the pros as much as it does ams who don’t play in perfect conditions and following players and caddies who know how to repair those divots. But it would be nice to have this rule in state ams and local tournaments.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:54 pm to ell_13
quote:
Holed/1 – All of the Ball Must Be Below the Surface to Be Holed When Embedded in Side of Hole
Embedded has everything to with it.
Posted on 7/24/22 at 7:57 pm to ell_13
quote:
There’s no closer to the hole. It’s in the hole.
Once again. The rule on the green states you put it as close as possible without it moving. If any part of that ball is above the surface you will replace it on the lip where it’s not moving then hit your next stroke.
At least you tried hard tho.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:19 am to BallChamp00
So what happens if he pulls the pin and it falls in? Ace?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 2:29 pm to Tiger1242
No. The full ball must be within the cutout of the hole to be an ace. It’s not.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 2:48 pm to Tiger1242
According to the GOLF.com article about this very photo ...
1. Embedded, not leaning against the flagstick, not fully submerged:
NO ACE
2. Embedded, leaning against the flagstick, not fully submerged:
NO ACE
3. Embedded, not leaning against the flagstick, fully submerged:
YES ACE
4. Not embedded, leaning against the flagstick, fully or partially submerged:
YES ACE
Seems the rub of it all is whether or not the ball is "submerged." Cannot tell if it is totally below the surface from that angle.
1. Embedded, not leaning against the flagstick, not fully submerged:
NO ACE
2. Embedded, leaning against the flagstick, not fully submerged:
NO ACE
3. Embedded, not leaning against the flagstick, fully submerged:
YES ACE
4. Not embedded, leaning against the flagstick, fully or partially submerged:
YES ACE
Seems the rub of it all is whether or not the ball is "submerged." Cannot tell if it is totally below the surface from that angle.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 2:50 pm to mikedatyger
The photo in the OP is not the photo in the Twitter link. The interpretations are different and subjective.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 3:07 pm to ell_13
quote:
The photo in the OP is not the photo in the Twitter link
Understand, but the answer is the same.
From the Rules of Golf, the COMPLETE BALL must be "submerged," or below the surface of the green. Not sure you can tell from either of theses scenarios/photos.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 3:11 pm to Big L
Yes, Ace. So long as the act of pulling the flag did not cause the ball to fall by any action other than removing it.
If the flag prevents it from falling by supporting it, then it’s not an embedded ball rule. Only if you remove the flag and the ball doesn’t fall are you then dealing with an embedded ball.
If the flag prevents it from falling by supporting it, then it’s not an embedded ball rule. Only if you remove the flag and the ball doesn’t fall are you then dealing with an embedded ball.
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